Cost Of Operations?: License Fees?

[Chazrox]

Are there any license fees that need to be pain in order to release my plugin fully encrypted? I heard from somewhere that there is a fee to pay for licensing?

What are the costs for this?

Are there any other costs I should be aware of as far as licensing my plugin for official release?

Thank You!

[d.healey]

@Chazrox If your project is proprietary (closed source/non-GPL) then you need a HISE license and a JUCE license.

HISE | Docs

(docs.hise.dev)

You'll also need an Apple developer account which is about £99. And if you want to codesign on Windows you need to buy into the license cartel, although I think @aaronventure found a cheaper solution.

[Chazrox]

@d-healey If I wanted to release an "open source" plugin. What exactly does that mean? Does that mean that people an open up the plugin and see everything inside including code and samples n stuff?

What's your use case? are you paying monthly Indie/Pro?

What is the differnce?

[Chazrox]

@d-healey Can you possibly give me a run down or give me some info on Rhapsody?

[d.healey]

@Chazrox said in Cost Of Operations?: License Fees?:

What exactly does that mean?

It means you make the source code available to anyone you distribute the binary to. In practice this usually means you put the project folder up on a public repo like github. You don't include the samples in the repo though.

The samples can be released under a different license.

@Chazrox said in Cost Of Operations?: License Fees?:

What's your use case? are you paying monthly Indie/Pro?

Neither. Rhapsody is released under the GPL. It doesn't have any samples though because it's just a player.

The libraries are also released under the GPL and the samples are under a creative commons non-commercial plus license. Here's the full license if you want to read it.

[Chazrox]

@d-healey Do you think you can help me out with that a little when the time comes?
Is there anything involved with coding on my end that will need to be done with these licenses n stuff?

Im still building up my preset library at the moment so theres still some time to go but im definitely approaching that time and im just trying to get ahead of it.

Appreciate the help!

[d.healey]

@Chazrox said in Cost Of Operations?: License Fees?:

Do you think you can help me out with that a little when the time comes?

Well I'm always here :)

@Chazrox said in Cost Of Operations?: License Fees?:

Is there anything involved with coding on my end that will need to be done with these licenses n stuff?

It's good practice to put a license header at the top of each file. Like this.

[Chazrox]

@d-healey

@d-healey said in Cost Of Operations?: License Fees?:

Well I'm always here :)

Thank You

@d-healey said in Cost Of Operations?: License Fees?:

Like this.

Is this a general license header that everyone uses?

/*
    Copyright 2022, 2023 David Healey

    This file is free software: you can redistribute it and/or modify
    it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
    the Free Software Foundation, either version 3 of the License, or
    (at your option) any later version.

    This file is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
    but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
    MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the
    GNU General Public License for more details.

    You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
    along with This file. If not, see <http://www.gnu.org/licenses/>.
*/

[d.healey]

@Chazrox You need to change the copyright year and the name - unless you want to give me copyright of your work

But yes, that's the idea. You should read through the GNU GPL fully to understand what you are giving users. And here's the instructions for using the license.

[Chazrox]

@d-healey

@d-healey said in Cost Of Operations?: License Fees?:

unless you want to give me copyright of your work

Im sure half of it is from you anyways. hahaha.

@d-healey said in Cost Of Operations?: License Fees?:

here's

Thank You. I'll read up on that. Hope you've having a great day!

[HISEnberg]

@d-healey @aaronventure pray tell what your solution is! I've just been rawdogging my windows package installers.

[d.healey]

@HISEnberg said in Cost Of Operations?: License Fees?:

pray tell what your solution is!

Solution to what?

[HISEnberg]

You'll also need an Apple developer account which is about £99. And if you want to codesign on Windows you need to buy into the license cartel, although I think @aaronventure found a cheaper solution.

Apologies that was lacking context, I was referring to the Windows codesigning!

[d.healey]

@HISEnberg I think @aaronventure was using a self-signing certificate. I remember also that Christoph mentioned using Azure as a cheaper option - https://forum.hise.audio/topic/9857/shoutout-azure-trusted-signing

He posted that about a week after I'd renewed my subscription to the cartel so I'm all set for a couple more years, but once my subscription expires I'll be exploring the Azure option (and any others that are suggested).

[ustk]

Yeah Azure is about 10$/month
I find it rather painful to setup though

[d.healey]

@ustk said in Cost Of Operations?: License Fees?:

I find it rather painful to setup though

Can you subscribe for a single month only?
Does it require a dongle?
Does it give EV level trust?

[ustk]

@d-healey said in Cost Of Operations?: License Fees?:

Can you subscribe for a single month only?

Yes, I just cancel the renewing because I wasn't ready to codesign for my windows installer, and this has been easy.

Does it require a dongle?

I don't think so, why would it? It's just a signing procedure using a certificate

Does it give EV level trust?

nope, but should we be concerned? https://www.digicert.com/faq/public-trust-and-certificates/what-is-an-extended-validation-ev-ssl-certificate

[d.healey]

@ustk said in Cost Of Operations?: License Fees?:

I don't think so, why would it?

If you go with Comodo, DigiCert, Sectigo, etc, they all require you use a hardware license dongle. Also signing for AAX requires a dongle (iLok).

@ustk said in Cost Of Operations?: License Fees?:

should we be concerned?

Yeah, I don't want my installer to be flagged as potentially malicious by the smart-screen filter.

[ustk]

@d-healey said in Cost Of Operations?: License Fees?:

Also signing for AAX requires a dongle (iLok).

Oh yes for the signing procedure... Of course, I wasn't at it...

[aaronventure]

@ustk if enough people start your exe, defender will eventually stop throwing a warning. That's why I suggested an installer app for HISE where devs would just attach a payload. That way once it eventually got past the defender smart screen, it would stay so.

And it exists, check the Payload Installer in the tools directory of HISE. The windows one works, the one for Mac not so much. I'll probably be pesting Chris about it soon.

Also, you can just upload your exe files to the defender whitelist on the microsoft page (you gotta be logged into your Microsoft account), select that you're a developer uploading an app for whitelisting, and after 3 weeks it'll be whitelisted and smart screen shouldn't pop anymore. But 3 weeks is a lot, almost feels like shipping for PlayStation.