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    • lalalandsynth
      lalalandsynth last edited by

      So I am recreating the ensemble section of the Logan String Melody Mk1.
      Ensemble2.jpg

      This used to work (pre-develop) but after develop something happened.
      First I had to change the stk delays to the JDSP, which is fine.
      But it seems that my main modchain does not modulate anything.
      See pic below.

      I made a test modulator and that seems to modulate both gain and delays.
      I tried connecting one of the peak-core outputs of the main modchain to a Gain module as well and it does not do anything.

      If I open in an earlier version of HISE it works fine.

      See pic Below.

      Main ScriptnodeEnsemble.jpg

      Main Modchain.
      Modchain.jpg

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      • lalalandsynth
        lalalandsynth @lalalandsynth last edited by

        @lalalandsynth SOLVED:
        It was still "sending" to the previous delays ...somehow .
        when I removed those connections , its fine.

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        • Christoph Hart
          Christoph Hart @lalalandsynth last edited by

          @lalalandsynth Just from looking at the patch I think you're overusing the send / receive nodes.

          I would suggest to use the "normal" signal flow as much as possible and only resort to the send / receive nodes when you actually need the routing (for feedback loops et al).

          If you need three mod signals that are summed up to a single mod signal try to use a split node inside the mod chain and a peak node after the split node.

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          • ustk
            ustk @lalalandsynth last edited by

            @lalalandsynth @Christoph-Hart Sometimes when deleting modulating nodes, the connection persists in the modulated one and prevent for it to work normally until you remove the connection manually

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            • lalalandsynth
              lalalandsynth @Christoph Hart last edited by

              @christoph-hart Its been a while since I made this patch so maybe I should revisit it.
              At the time I felt I needed the Send and returns to make this work.

              Its essentially 2 LFO´s 0.6hz and 6 hz blended together.

              Then I need 3 versions of those LFO´s" blended together in a precise manner" and phase shift applied to each one or more precisely 120 deg and 240 to 2 of them..

              Then I need control of the amount of each blended/shifted version as well as a global amount into each delay.

              Not sure why I did it this way but cannot see another way to achieve this at a glance but will revisit it now that I have it working.

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              • lalalandsynth
                lalalandsynth @Christoph Hart last edited by lalalandsynth

                @christoph-hart I was using Math.Mul (although I cannot remember why 🙂 )to achieve the phase shift , is there a more precise way to achieve phase shift now?

                EDIT ! I just realised , I must have used delays for the offset but they were STK so they are gone !Makes sense why I dont have offset anymore.

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                • ustk
                  ustk @lalalandsynth last edited by

                  @lalalandsynth said in Scriptnode modchain issue.:

                  is there a more precise way to achieve phase shift now?

                  A fixed delay

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                  • lalalandsynth
                    lalalandsynth @ustk last edited by

                    @ustk Of course . No idea why I used mul ?

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                    • lalalandsynth
                      lalalandsynth last edited by lalalandsynth

                      Man would it be helpful to have a scope or something to look at multiple modulators at the same time and compare, probably useful for a lot of things.
                      Unless there is and I am not aware ?

                      Have to go to photoshop to see that my phase offset is gone.

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                      • Matt_SF
                        Matt_SF @lalalandsynth last edited by

                        @lalalandsynth if you mul by -1 you get the signal in opposite phase... ?

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                        • lalalandsynth
                          lalalandsynth @Matt_SF last edited by lalalandsynth

                          @matt_sf If I remember correctly yes.

                          Like i said , its been a long time , cant really remember how I achieved the phase shift , let alone a precise one.

                          EDIT ! I just realised , I must have used delays for the offset but they were STK so they are gone !Makes sense why I dont have offset anymore.

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                          • Christoph Hart
                            Christoph Hart @lalalandsynth last edited by

                            @lalalandsynth The oscillators have a phase parameter now, so maybe you don't need the delay.

                            I would use 6 oscillators with the correct phase offsets.

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                            • ustk
                              ustk @Christoph Hart last edited by

                              @christoph-hart The phase delay would be cool for this but with a parameter for the phase percentage on top of the existing frequency.

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                              • lalalandsynth
                                lalalandsynth @Christoph Hart last edited by lalalandsynth

                                @christoph-hart OK, will try that .

                                Is it possible that the fixed delays do not work , I have to use the JDelay for the phase offset , fix delay does nothing.?

                                For some reason the ensemble sounds much better in a previous HISE version.

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                                • lalalandsynth
                                  lalalandsynth last edited by lalalandsynth

                                  So in my previous version I had 3 stereo delays - total 6 delays.
                                  One stereo delay had one of the delays modulated in the inverted direction , I did this by inverting the max/min of the core peak.

                                  I cannot seem to be able to achieve this in the new develop.
                                  I can change the max/min on the destination (delay time knob) and that does something to the sound but I cannot see the modulation indicator of the knob going in the inverse direction?

                                  If I invert it at the core.peak , it does nothing ?

                                  This is how its set in the older project and worked fine.
                                  Mod inverse.jpg

                                  This is the effect on the modulators - inverted modulation.
                                  Mod inverse 2.jpg<

                                  EDIT: Figured it out - make sticky ( arrow icon next to button ) invert range.

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                                  • ustk
                                    ustk @lalalandsynth last edited by

                                    @lalalandsynth Indeed, it's broken somehow...

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                                    • lalalandsynth
                                      lalalandsynth @ustk last edited by

                                      @ustk Figured it out - make sticky ( arrow icon next to button ) invert range.

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                                      • Matt_SF
                                        Matt_SF @lalalandsynth last edited by Matt_SF

                                        @lalalandsynth Use the range editor and edit the min/max values by SHIFT-click on them :

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                                        @lalalandsynth said in Scriptnode modchain issue.:

                                        invert range

                                        Edit : you can set the 'start' value greater than the 'end' value right away, they will be displayed as min & max but the curve will be inverted.

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                                        • Matt_SF
                                          Matt_SF @ustk last edited by

                                          @ustk since the new_layout & last develop version, if you don't use the range editor to edit the values, you have to define them for both the source AND the target. Otherwise that doesn't work.
                                          In old develop branch, editing just the source was sufficient.

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                                          • lalalandsynth
                                            lalalandsynth @Matt_SF last edited by

                                            @matt_sf Why do they come up like this by default ?
                                            Shouldnt they be linear ?
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