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@orange
I never said vector, I said basic, if HISE can only do graphics of usable quality at 280mb when other plugins are released much smaller sizes, then that is an issue, a serious issue, storage size is very much still a concern, there is a lot of musicians now using portable devices, so these plugins would be a no go on Surface or IOS device, you just couldn't afford to lose near an entire gigabyte on three plugins.@d-healey @orange
That doesn't really hold, unless specifically demanded to do so in the licence, then there is little to no reason at all to mention HISE, it is a development platform that will gather momentum at its own pace, if people wish to promote it then thats their choice, but there should be no remarks at all to developers about mentioning it in threads like this, that will drive away potential users, even if only users of the forum, it certainly gave me the wrong impression, but I am used to just asking, as i did. -
@Win-Conway said in About Rule Tec:
@orange
I never said vector, I said basic, if HISE can only do graphics of usable quality at 280mb when other plugins are released much smaller sizes...The size of graphics is determined by the image files the developer uses not by HISE.
@d-healey @orange
there is little to no reason at all to mention HISE,I thought to be nice was a good reason. But simply giving credit to Christoph for his hard work is also a good reason, everyone else on a VI project gets credited so why not the main developer also.
it is a development platform that will gather momentum at its own pace,
But word of mouth is one of the best forms of advertising and will hopefully increase the pace.
if people wish to promote it then thats their choice,
Sure is
but there should be no remarks at all to developers about mentioning it in threads like this,
Our opinions obviously diverge here.
that will drive away potential users, even if only users of the forum,
I see no evidence of this (and driving you away doesn't count :p ) To be fair though Orange is a regular around here so I may not have said anything to a newbie.
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You see no evidence because most people read a forum before joining, if they are put off by what they read, why would you ever see any evidence ?
HISE should be treated the same as any other development platform, Christoph gets paid as he asks to get paid, or do you also ask that Jules is mentioned or JUCE or C++ or Javascript, no of course not, so asking for HISE to be mentioned actually denigrates it to Synthedit and Synthmaker level in the eyes of some. -
If there are 270mb of images in that plugin, then i would be very surprised, that UI doesn't warrant 270mb of imagery, that is a lot of images, or indeed very big images.
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@Win-Conway said in About Rule Tec:
If there are 270mb of images in that plugin, then i would be very surprised, that UI doesn't warrant 270mb of imagery, that is a lot of images, or indeed very big images.
I'm assuming he is using images at 200% resolution so they will display well on everything from 4K down to 1K screens. But almost certainly the images could be optimized.
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Even double sized imagery this seems extreme, I have designed the UI for a lot of software over the years, and yes i know that HISE isn't capable of using compressed imagery like .png (Which is a downer) but 270mb, I didn't actually bother installing the demo because of the size and to be fair, EQ is not that exciting to me anymore, maybe it has fixed sizes and he created images for every single fixed size down, which again would be insane amounts of work for little gain.
By the way, I don't want anybody thinking i am trying to be down on @orange plugins, it is getting some stellar reviews for its sound, I am just discussing the file size.
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@Win-Conway said in About Rule Tec:
Even double sized imagery this seems extreme, I have designed the UI for a lot of software over the years, and yes i know that HISE isn't capable of using compressed imagery like .png (Which is a downer) but 270mb, I didn't actually bother installing the demo because of the size and to be fair, EQ is not that exciting to me anymore, maybe it has fixed sizes and he created images for every single fixed size down, which again would be insane amounts of work for little gain.
By the way, I don't want anybody thinking i am trying to be down on @orange plugins, it is getting some stellar reviews for its sound, I am just discussing the file size.
Ok we understand that you think the file size is large, so don't download :) nobody is forcing you :D So no need to repeat it again and again. Ifyou think Hise makes large fles, so you don't have to use Hise too, again, nobody is forcing you :) Use and download whatever you want. Now you can go :D
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@d-healey said in About Rule Tec:
I'm assuming he is using images at 200% resolution so they will display well on everything from 4K down to 1K screens. But almost certainly the images could be optimized.
Yes @d-healey the size of the images is very big, and designed for 4K monitors. Also as Christoph said, even the images are compressed, on compiled plugins the images become very big bitmap files. so that's why if your image sizes are even under 50MB (this is the image size limit of HISE), your compiled plugin can be much more bigger.
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@orange wow, did you just ask me to leave the forum ?
What a lovely attitude ?
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@Win-Conway said in About Rule Tec:
@orange wow, did you just ask me to leave the forum ?
What a lovely attitude ?
You neither tell me to use the forum or use HISE or not, and I will post any opinions i have in this PUBLIC forum, if YOU dont want comments, do not post.No, I didn't say leave forum. It's none of my business. I just said if you don't like or don't want, then just don't, simple. In your vision, that's a comment too :D
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Guys calm down, it‘s not the KVR forum here ;)
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@Win-Conway said in About Rule Tec:
HISE should be treated the same as any other development platform, Christoph gets paid as he asks to get paid, or do you also ask that Jules is mentioned or JUCE or C++ or Javascript, no of course not, so asking for HISE to be mentioned actually denigrates it to Synthedit and Synthmaker level in the eyes of some.
I'm almost publishing some of my vsts and I have no problem no only mentioning HISE but even embedding a link to hise website within the plug-in itself. But is up to the developer to mention it or not, I will because I bother too much sometimes with questions, I bother @Christoph-Hart and @d-healey and now @orange too.
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@Christoph-Hart
Well yeah, KVR has a lot of users, and i would suggest with attitudes like the above, not to post there, eaten alive springs to mind hahaha.
@Jay
All i did was ask if it was mandatory, its not, that's cool, also very cool that you will, personally I will not overtly mention HISE, I think it is disrespectful to HISE (My opinion, not trying to tell anybody else what to do) I intend to push HISE through promotion of HISE itself ;) -
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...anyway.....back to Rule Tec.....
I'm intrigued how this "modeling" was done... - clearly the specifics of the model params are Orange's IP so I'm not asking for that, but I cant see where I would start to build a model-based audio processor in HISE, any clues?
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@Lindon There are many ways to do this.
One way is circuit modeling (Analog Obsession does it). But it is hard to do with Hise and requires extra C++ work.
The second way is non linear IR technology (Acoustica Audio does that) and Hise doesn't support that too.
The third way is measuring (vintage way). In order to do it, you need original machine. The Basically what I did is measuring and recording the original machine's parameter data step by step. (I recoreded a huge data and prepared a big data table for that.) And then I matematically modeled with equations (approx. 2000 interactive equations) to achieve this results. Then tell the Hise how to do that.
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@orange yeah its that last bit "then tell Hise how to do that" - you did it in javascript? and changed what EQ? Gain?
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@Lindon Custom C++ module or script FX perhaps...
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@d-healey nearly everything can be done by adjusting gain (EQ, Volume) and saturation, I have worked with a bunch of well respected developers whose models are just comparitive volume and distortion, but dont for one moment think that is easy, it takes a lot of intricate measurements.
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@Lindon said in About Rule Tec:
@orange yeah its that last bit "then tell Hise how to do that" - you did it in javascript? and changed what EQ? Gain?
@d-healey said in About Rule Tec:
@Lindon Custom C++ module or script FX perhaps...
Yeah hybrid solution with Custom C++ module and Hise script fx.
The hardest thing about Pultec and bunch of other analog hardware is all of the parameters are interactive and non-linear. For example in Pultec, Low Atten knob doesn't react the same if the low boost is there, so that is a total pain for modeling. You can make only individual controls but the plugin won't sound like original machine. Or same with high boost and atten. You need to measure lot's of values, bring them together and make mathematically modeling.
Hise is capable of much more than what people think. Not only for vsti. Wait for hnode.... @Christoph-Hart
