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    • DanHD
      DanH @DanH
      last edited by

      @Christoph-Hart But even without a MatrixMod you can still apply modulation to any knob which is cool - is there a difference with accuracy here?

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      • Christoph HartC
        Christoph Hart @DanH
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        Is SYNTH a container? You can only add envelope modulators to FX that have voice processing.

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        • DanHD
          DanH @Christoph Hart
          last edited by DanH

          @Christoph-Hart SYNTHS is a Synth Group.

          Ok, forgot about Containers not processing voices.... If just enabling MidiLearn on a knob provides sample accurate modulation then perhaps this isn't too much of an issue? Otherwise I'll be rebuilding the entire architecture of this instrument 😆

          If we get the FM and Unisono etc sorted that might mean that everything can just go into a Synth group anyway

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          • DanHD
            DanH @Christoph Hart
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            @Christoph-Hart as an aside what does this mean for fx instruments? Can we get a different MatrixMod in the TimeVariant menu?

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            • DanHD
              DanH @Christoph Hart
              last edited by DanH

              @Christoph-Hart

              It's fixed now (I also added a check to remove spaces in the mod source name to make it valid CSS identifiers, as you can see here:

              Just been trying this with latest build and can't get it to work... have tried MACRO 1, MACRO1 and MACRO _1. Perhaps I've misunderstood:

              EDIT - Have to use lowercase 😆

              Screenshot 2025-07-23 at 14.21.21.png

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              • DanHD
                DanH @Christoph Hart
                last edited by DanH

                @Christoph-Hart Morning! Adding multiple sources to a target will change the modulation range. However, how this is reflected on the sliders isn't that helpful, as the modulation can move well beyond the range shown:

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                One solution could be to only show the modulation range of the source selected, using ScriptModulationMatrix.setSourceSelectionCallback()

                By the way is this callback functioning yet?

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                • Christoph HartC
                  Christoph Hart @DanH
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                  However, how this is reflected on the sliders isn't that helpful, as the modulation can move well beyond the range shown

                  Can you send me a snippet with the state that demonstrates this? the modulation range is actually supposed to cover the combined maximum of all modulation connections, but it's a bit difficult to get that right with all possible combinations so I might have overlooked something.

                  So eg. if you have two bipolar connections with 25% intensity each, the display modulation range should go from -50% to +50%. If you then add a unipolar connection with +20%, then it should go from -50% to +70%, etc.

                  Ideally you won't have to rely on the "selected" modulation (as you can always see the selected modulation range as it is displayed on the hover up), but the modulation range is calculated correctly in all scenarios.

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                  • DanHD
                    DanH @Christoph Hart
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                    @Christoph-Hart here's one like the gif I posted, using two lfos:

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                    • DanHD
                      DanH @DanH
                      last edited by DanH

                      @Christoph-Hart the remove option in the intensity sliders pop up isn't behaving nicely. It doesn't seem to work at all in my project, and it will also leave behind the intensity slider. In the snippet I can remove LFO 1 as a source but not LFO 2 (which has been added after the tutorial was made - not sure if that has something to do with not being able to remove any sources in my project too).

                      Screenshot 2025-07-24 at 11.38.04.png

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                      • Christoph HartC
                        Christoph Hart @DanH
                        last edited by

                        @DanH have you reloaded the project after adding the second LFO (or rebuild the interface)? The structure of the modulation architecture is supposed to be very constant, so it might still not recognize the second LFO as source at some points.

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                        • DanHD
                          DanH @Christoph Hart
                          last edited by

                          @Christoph-Hart I'll double check - and it's the pop up of the target slider itself rather than the intensity slider as I said before - my mistake. 'Remove Connection' option in Intensity pop up works fine.

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                          • Christoph HartC
                            Christoph Hart @DanH
                            last edited by

                            @DanH ah yes I can reproduce that, it's a simple oversight on my part.

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                            • Christoph HartC
                              Christoph Hart @Christoph Hart
                              last edited by

                              @Christoph-Hart oh but since the example clears out the connections in the onInit callback I cannot reproduce your connection setup that reproduces the range issue. Can you remove that line (44, matrixHandler.clearAllConnections(""); and reexport the snippet?

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                              • DanHD
                                DanH @Christoph Hart
                                last edited by

                                @Christoph-Hart I keep tripping up on that line 😆

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                                • Christoph HartC
                                  Christoph Hart @Christoph Hart
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                                  @Christoph-Hart Alright that's fixed now:

                                  • you can properly remove any connection (previously it didn't account for the actual source but just tried to remove the first source which is why it worked with LFO 1 but with nothing else).
                                  • it will now also refresh the hover popup when assigning / removing connections through the context menu - before the old connections stuck around until you moved the mouse away and back over the component.

                                  By the way is this callback functioning yet?

                                  Yes, but I forgot to push the documentation & example snippet, that's here now:

                                  https://docs.hise.audio/scripting/scripting-api/scriptmodulationmatrix/index.html#setsourceselectioncallback
                                  https://docs.hise.dev/tutorials/ui/index.html#exclusive-matrix-modulation-source

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                                  • DanHD
                                    DanH @Christoph Hart
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                                    @Christoph-Hart awesome :)

                                    Some other jankyness when assigning the sources in that slider pop up - the intensity sliders don't always appear / disappear... Not sure if you're keeping the multi-dragger ui system though.

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                                    • Christoph HartC
                                      Christoph Hart @DanH
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                                      @DanH yes this is also fixed with the latest commit.

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                                      • DanHD
                                        DanH @Christoph Hart
                                        last edited by

                                        @Christoph-Hart downloading...

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                                        • DanHD
                                          DanH @Christoph Hart
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                                          @Christoph-Hart ok going well... If the dragger pop up is inside a panel (if the slider is in a panel I should say) then the pop up is bound by the bounds of the panel.

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                                          • DanHD
                                            DanH @Christoph Hart
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                                            @Christoph-Hart could the hover function showing the dragger be made optional? So if we wanted them added to the ui permanently (until removed of course)....

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