Massive instrument model - is messing with my mind.....

[aaronventure]

@Lindon said in Massive instrument model - is messing with my mind.....:

and as soon as I modify the velocity in a script then the volume control using velocity fails.

You can still save the event velocity in the script. You then use eventData and the event data node in the voice start script modulator (or the event data modulator itself if you don't need anything extra) for the samoler's gain modulation, and for each event where you're playing the artificial note, just send the correct gain using eventData to the desired slot, which will be picked up, per-event, by the eventData modulator, removing the need to have the samples spread out to use the velocity linearly as a gain control.

This turns velocity into a simple y axis value for mapping the samples, letting you have 127x128 samples per group.

[d.healey]

@aaronventure Or use a global velocity mod

[Lindon]

@aaronventure said in Massive instrument model - is messing with my mind.....:

You can still save the event velocity in the script. You then use eventData and the event data node in the voice start script modulator (or the event data modulator itself if you don't need anything extra) for the samoler's gain modulation, and for each event where you're playing the artificial note, just send the correct gain using eventData to the desired slot, which will be picked up, per-event, by the eventData modulator, removing the need to have the samples spread out to use the velocity linearly as a gain control.

This turns velocity into a simple y axis value for mapping the samples, letting you have 127x128 samples per group.

wow this looks like the most complicated way to get per-note velocity modulation ever...

[aaronventure]

@d-healey also true, but here you can do any kind of math to get your volume value, even use data from the interface script without first passing it to the real time script (if using globals), so creating volume curves per-articulation in the UI becomes possible without worrying where the modulator is, what it's called or how many of them are there.

[Lindon]

@d-healey said in Massive instrument model - is messing with my mind.....:

@aaronventure Or use a global velocity mod

and this one isnt per-note - is it?

[aaronventure]

@Lindon how is it complicated?

Its just a different modulator (it's already built in, just use it instead of the velocity modulator) and one additional method call right under your playNote call.

The gain expression can be as complicated or as simple as you need it to be.

The idea is that you don't need specific modulator names or counts in the script. You just target a slot index for eventData, and in the modulator you set the slot that it'll read from. Then for every event, it'll check if there's a value stored for the event's id and apply it. It's ridiculously simple and scalable.

[d.healey]

@Lindon Yes, I use a global velocity mod in all my instruments. Another advantage is you get one overall velocity curve you can control, plus an additional table at each of the destinations.

[Lindon]

@aaronventure can you post a snippet?

[Lindon]

@Lindon well it would seem Dave is right and

Sampler.setMultiGroupIndex(var groupIndex, bool enabled)

isnt working, if it was all this would just go away...

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@Christoph-Hart any chance of fixing this?

[Lindon]

@d-healey
@Lindon Yes, I use a global velocity mod in all my instruments. Another advantage is you get one overall velocity curve you can control, plus an additional table at each of the destinations.

yeah I understand - but its a work around Im not keen on pushing at the customer....

[aaronventure]

@Lindon

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I lied, it's two additional lines of code, with one of the being the GlobalRoutingManager reference.

Here's my ultra flexible continuous per event modulation snippet
https://forum.hise.audio/topic/10635/snippet-per-event-modulation-from-ui-with-global-storage

If you read the thread you can follow the entire history of that how or why that came to be in HISE.

For continuous modulation of volume per event, you can make it simpler as you don't need a network to just control the volume, the modulator itself will do:

1. create EventData Envelope (it's important that it's an envelope)
2. now you get two options. In both cases you'll be calling setEventData from the control callbacks, as well as the initial call for each event right after it's played with playNote
   1. publicize your eventIds by making the array a global instead of reg, then write into them from your interface script using tables or whatever
   2. link your Dynamics slider to another one in your realtime script, then use that slider's value to deduce your correct volume using tables or whatever

[Lindon]

@aaronventure said in Massive instrument model - is messing with my mind.....:

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Thanks - so I loaded this and first thing that became clear is I lose any ability to let the end user draw the velocity curve they want.

[d.healey]

@Lindon said in Massive instrument model - is messing with my mind.....:

yeah I understand - but its a work around Im not keen on pushing at the customer....

Workaround? Nope, it's just using a modulator, global mods are great, should be standard practice. I use them whenever I can. They reduce resource usage and make it easier to manage lots of modulators in larger projects.

[aaronventure]

@Lindon said in Massive instrument model - is messing with my mind.....:

Thanks - so I loaded this and first thing that became clear is I lose any ability to let the end user draw the velocity curve they want.

No, you don't. You'll still create a table in the UI, except you can create a global array of its data for each of 127 velocity values, and have the modulator pull from that. You can also just create a Script Modulator instead of the Event Data modulator, use the Event Data node inside and modify its output using a table, which you can then link to an external slot (and access it that way from your UI).

[Lindon]

@aaronventure all of this in an additional two lines of code....

[aaronventure]

@Lindon here's a snippet

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• check the interface
• check the network
• play a note and tweak the table while holding a note

This is so stupidly simple and you don't have to keep track of modulator names or references or anything like that, it scales indefinitely with your samper count, just load the network as Script Envelope Modulator and it's done. So when you're working on another library from the same dev, you're not wasting hours rearranging everything and clearing references because the sampler count is different.

[Lindon]

@aaronventure said in Massive instrument model - is messing with my mind.....:

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Ok yes, interesting. But I think what you did there was achieve the same (but less flexible) thing that Dave achieved with a Global Velocity modulator - so if I have to go this "VelocityStacking" route to get RRs in a XFade environment I guess I'll take Dave's route for now, but actually what I'd really like is to have the existing call fixed.

[Lindon]

@Lindon Ok I will come clean with at least one of my objections :

There will be a number of articulations - and the user will be able to load any articulation into any sampler. Not all articulations have RRs and not all RRs are the same number.

So in the stacking approach I have code that handles this, but it will be different depending on the number of RRs... so I'm going to have to know for a given articulation the number RRs and thus the layout of the sample maps, and implement custom code for each config..

Thinking about it I have to do some thing different but similar even if the call gets fixed I think.

[d.healey]

@Lindon said in Massive instrument model - is messing with my mind.....:

not all RRs are the same number.

Duplicate zones so that they all have the same number.

[Lindon]

@d-healey 80% have no rrs, 15% have 3, 5% have 5 - in the current layouts I have seen - so that would mean doing more complicated sample maps for 80% of articulations that don't need them. -- and Im asking the customer to do the maps.....so anything that makes that job simpler is good...