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      A Former User @Casmat
      last edited by

      @Casmat same deal but invert the modulator 🙂

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      • CasmatC
        Casmat @A Former User
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        @iamlamprey close! I guess I'm trying to ask how I'd present that to a user? The attack time on the ahdsr container says 5000 ms, and when the velocity is at the lowest, the attack is 5000 ms. When the velocity is high, the attack is shorter. I'm trying to find a way in which when the ui knob is at 5000 ms, the highest velocity is at 5000 ms, and then lower velocities are longer than 5000 ms if that makes sense?

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          A Former User @A Former User
          last edited by

          i should add that modulators are based on the value of the thing they're modulating, they go from 0-100% so you can't add more than the value it's currently set to, unless you code it yourself

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            A Former User @Casmat
            last edited by A Former User

            @Casmat yeah we replied at the same time lol

            for your specific use-case you could either

            • grab the velocity in the NoteOn() function and use that to set the Attack Time programmatically

            • lie to the end user by changing the displayed value of a slider to be the "extra" attack time 🙂

            edit: you could also do the first option in ScriptNode using a MIDI node to get the Velocity, that would support Polyphony

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            • CasmatC
              Casmat @A Former User
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              @iamlamprey Yup haha! Would I use the Script Voice Start Modulator container under attack time?

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                A Former User @Casmat
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                @Casmat or you can control the gain directly inside the network (you'll have to tweak the individual numbers):

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                • CasmatC
                  Casmat @A Former User
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                  @iamlamprey bro, here I was trying to piece together how the midi and the ahdsr node would play nice with eachother, you hit me up with a snippet though haha. true legend!!

                  Of course PMAs are part of the answer, just to wrap my head around it, PMA nodes are just to scale and change the value of the incoming value by a set value?

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                  • CasmatC
                    Casmat @A Former User
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                    @iamlamprey IT MAKES SENSE NOW!! Man PMAs are insaneeee! Thanks again man, a hise doubloon for a hise hero!

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                      A Former User @Casmat
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                      @Casmat said in Velocity Modulator on Attack Time on Gain:

                      just to wrap my head around it, PMA nodes are just to scale and change the value of the incoming value by a set value?

                      PMA means Parameter Multiply Add

                      You take the Value (left socket), Multiply it by whatever the Middle slider is, then Add whatever value is on the right slider, they're one of the most important nodes 🙂

                      regular PMA's are scaled to 0-1, unscaled PMA's just output the calculated value directly

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                      • CasmatC
                        Casmat @A Former User
                        last edited by Casmat

                        @iamlamprey Ahhh, definitely would've saved a lot of time using them in the past

                        Just got one question how would I replace the simple envelope with the scriptnode one to have just one gain envelope?

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                          A Former User @Casmat
                          last edited by

                          @Casmat yeh i think you could replace it with the Script Voice Start Modulator, you'd have to change the network a bit, I have no experience in using ScriptNode for modulators though so I can't help with that part

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                          • CasmatC
                            Casmat @A Former User
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                            @iamlamprey thanks!

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                            • d.healeyD
                              d.healey
                              last edited by

                              Can't you just use the velocity mod's table to get the desired behaviour?

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                              • CasmatC
                                Casmat @d.healey
                                last edited by

                                @d-healey the velocity mod table goes from 0 to 100%, my scenario needs it to go higher than 100% modulation, is it possible to do it regardless?

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                                • d.healeyD
                                  d.healey @Casmat
                                  last edited by

                                  @Casmat

                                  I see, so you want the user to set the minimum time?

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                                    Casmat @d.healey
                                    last edited by

                                    @d-healey yup!

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                                    • d.healeyD
                                      d.healey @Casmat
                                      last edited by

                                      @Casmat Do you need to display the AHDSR table to the user?

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                                        Casmat @d.healey
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                                        @d-healey we were thinking of doing so

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                                        • d.healeyD
                                          d.healey @Casmat
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                                          @Casmat In that case I would use a "min attack" knob on your UI that is not connected to the AHDSR directly but instead is used as the baseline for a calculation of the final attack which is then passed to the AHDSR's attack knob.

                                          Here's a snippet demonstrating it. I've also added a table to the script so you can adjust the velocity curve. Your UI knob just needs to be connected to the min attack knob in this script.

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                                            Casmat @d.healey
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                                            @d-healey Ahhh, that looks amazing, just modified the attack line slightly to match my use case! Thanks a lot!!

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