Velocity Modulator on Attack Time on Gain

[Casmat]

Hey!

If I put a velocity modulator on the attack time on an ahdsr envelope under gain modulation (plus making velocity mod inverted and usetable), high velocities will give the original attack time and low velocities will give quicker attack times. How can I make it so that low velocities give original attack time and high velocities give slower attack times?

Thanks!

[A Former User]

@Casmat you need to manually set the Attack Time to a high value before adding the velocity mod:

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[Casmat]

@iamlamprey oh shoot, I may have confused myself haha, I was trying to say how can I make a scenario where high velocities have zero change to the attack time and lower velocities add length to the attack time?

[A Former User]

@Casmat same deal but invert the modulator

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[Casmat]

@iamlamprey close! I guess I'm trying to ask how I'd present that to a user? The attack time on the ahdsr container says 5000 ms, and when the velocity is at the lowest, the attack is 5000 ms. When the velocity is high, the attack is shorter. I'm trying to find a way in which when the ui knob is at 5000 ms, the highest velocity is at 5000 ms, and then lower velocities are longer than 5000 ms if that makes sense?

[A Former User]

i should add that modulators are based on the value of the thing they're modulating, they go from 0-100% so you can't add more than the value it's currently set to, unless you code it yourself

[A Former User]

@Casmat yeah we replied at the same time lol

for your specific use-case you could either

• grab the velocity in the NoteOn() function and use that to set the Attack Time programmatically

• lie to the end user by changing the displayed value of a slider to be the "extra" attack time

edit: you could also do the first option in ScriptNode using a MIDI node to get the Velocity, that would support Polyphony

[Casmat]

@iamlamprey Yup haha! Would I use the Script Voice Start Modulator container under attack time?

[A Former User]

@Casmat or you can control the gain directly inside the network (you'll have to tweak the individual numbers):

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[Casmat]

@iamlamprey bro, here I was trying to piece together how the midi and the ahdsr node would play nice with eachother, you hit me up with a snippet though haha. true legend!!

Of course PMAs are part of the answer, just to wrap my head around it, PMA nodes are just to scale and change the value of the incoming value by a set value?

[Casmat]

@iamlamprey IT MAKES SENSE NOW!! Man PMAs are insaneeee! Thanks again man, a hise doubloon for a hise hero!

[A Former User]

@Casmat said in Velocity Modulator on Attack Time on Gain:

just to wrap my head around it, PMA nodes are just to scale and change the value of the incoming value by a set value?

PMA means Parameter Multiply Add

You take the Value (left socket), Multiply it by whatever the Middle slider is, then Add whatever value is on the right slider, they're one of the most important nodes

regular PMA's are scaled to 0-1, unscaled PMA's just output the calculated value directly

[Casmat]

@iamlamprey Ahhh, definitely would've saved a lot of time using them in the past

Just got one question how would I replace the simple envelope with the scriptnode one to have just one gain envelope?

[A Former User]

@Casmat yeh i think you could replace it with the Script Voice Start Modulator, you'd have to change the network a bit, I have no experience in using ScriptNode for modulators though so I can't help with that part

[Casmat]

@iamlamprey thanks!

[d.healey]

Can't you just use the velocity mod's table to get the desired behaviour?

[Casmat]

@d-healey the velocity mod table goes from 0 to 100%, my scenario needs it to go higher than 100% modulation, is it possible to do it regardless?

[d.healey]

@Casmat

I see, so you want the user to set the minimum time?

[Casmat]

@d-healey yup!

[d.healey]

@Casmat Do you need to display the AHDSR table to the user?