Sample not triggered if MIDI overlaps
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Sorry for replying to my own post, but after doing some further testing at the weekend I am still lost and it is making even less sense.
In FL studio, if I use any plugin that I have built in HISE the notes are being dropped unless I stop them from overlapping.
Just to clarify, I don't mean the same note overlapping, but other notes in the chord running into the next bar then stops a note at the start of that next bar from playing.If I use another plugin such as FL Keys, Addictive keys etc then the exact same MIDI plays fine without dropping notes. This is the same with plugins that I have built in Maize, they don't drop the notes either.
This means that FL is capable of playing the notes, it just isn't for the HISE plugins for some reason.In Ableton Live, using my HISE built plugin and the same MIDI file, all of the notes play fine which is just bizarre.
If the none HISE plugins also dropped the same notes in FL then I would think it was an FL issue/setting, but as the none HISE ones play fine in FL and it's only the HISE ones have that issue than I am thinking it must be a setting somewhere in the HISE build(s) but I have no idea what.@Christoph-Hart do you have any idea what may be causing this issue and how I might be able to get around it please?
Thanks in advance
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@rzrsharpeprod Make a new HISE project, add a sinewave generator, export the plugin. Does this exhibit the same issue?
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@d-healey said in Sample not triggered if MIDI overlaps:
@rzrsharpeprod Make a new HISE project, add a sinewave generator, export the plugin. Does this exhibit the same issue?
I just tried this and it does drop the same notes even with just the sine wave generator.
Interestingly I have also been playing with other plugins that I know are built on HISE such as Blaque guitar by NewNation. If I put the same MIDI in there in FL it plays all of the notes!! This means it is possible for HISE to play all of the notes in that MIDI so not sure why my plugins or the simple sine won't?
One last thing that I have also just noticed. The plugin plays the first 4 bars fine, the first dropped note is at the start of the 6th bar. If I start the plugin playing at the 5th bar instead of the beginning, it plays everything and doesn't drop any notes.
Could there be a build up of notes/voices so that a max limit is being reached and won't play or something like that? It is odd that it plays fine if you start there that's for sure. -
Hopefully this shows it better than I can explain it.
1st instrument is one of mine. It drops the G# at start f 6th bar if I play from start
If I play from start of 5th bar it plays the G# at the start of the 6th2nd instrument is just the sinewave generator
3rd instrument is Blaque guitar which is built in HISE and this plays all of the notes
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Are you using the latest develop branch?
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@rzrsharpeprod Did you check the maximum number of voices/polyphony in the sampler (Voice settings)?
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@gorangrooves said in Sample not triggered if MIDI overlaps:
@rzrsharpeprod Did you check the maximum number of voices/polyphony in the sampler (Voice settings)?
He said it happens with the minimal sinewave project too
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@d-healey I haven't rebuilt HISE in a couple of months so possibly not.
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@rzrsharpeprod Start there
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@gorangrooves said in Sample not triggered if MIDI overlaps:
@rzrsharpeprod Did you check the maximum number of voices/polyphony in the sampler (Voice settings)?
I did and it is set to 256 which should be more than enough right?
But as @d-healey said it also does it in the sinewave generator clean build.
Could it be to do with note/sample length? I'm running out of ideas and I am struggling to see what is different between my HISE project and a HISE project that works like Blaque/Apache for example.
The reason I ask about sample length is because I literally took the Apache source code and files from the GitHub, added in my samples and left everything else the same. The Apache flute plays the notes but the version with my samples still drops the note. -
I am struggling to see what is different between my HISE project and a HISE project that works like Blaque/Apache for example.
Might be time to make a minimal project that demonstrates the issue and post it here.
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@d-healey said in Sample not triggered if MIDI overlaps:
I am struggling to see what is different between my HISE project and a HISE project that works like Blaque/Apache for example.
Might be time to make a minimal project that demonstrates the issue and post it here.
Sounds good, thankyou.
Should I include the piano samples seeing as they might be the issue?I'm just building a version with artificially short samples as a test to see if it still does it as I'd like to rule that out.
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@rzrsharpeprod Well I don't think the samples are necessary if it happens with the sine wave gen. Are you using a particular MIDI file to test it, maybe you could just post that?
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@d-healey said in Sample not triggered if MIDI overlaps:
@rzrsharpeprod Well I don't think the samples are necessary if it happens with the sine wave gen. Are you using a particular MIDI file to test it, maybe you could just post that?
[Patent Sounds - Essential Keys] - Baithoven (C#min) (160BPM).mid
Here is the MIDI file that is giving me the issues. Is that all you need if you can use the sinewave gen or would you like me to make a snippet still?
It is worth noting - just to make this even more complicated - that in FL if I set the BPM to something other than the correct BPM of 160, then it changes which note(s) cut out.
I just thought I should mention it as I have been testing it at 160BPM and that way the same G# cuts out each time -
Have you tested in any other DAW?
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@rzrsharpeprod That is an interesting note regarding the BPM. There was a HISE bug related to BPM in Fl Studio that was causing Fl Studio to freeze and crash, when the tempo would be set below 80bpm. That was fixed a few months back. Make sure you are testing with the latest develop branch commit. There could very well be another bug.
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@d-healey said in Sample not triggered if MIDI overlaps:
Have you tested in any other DAW?
Yes I tried it in Ableton too and that played fine using my plugin that I am working on (that drops notes in FL).
This initially made me think it was an FL issue and not HISE plugin related. But when I tried other none HISE plugins play all the notes in that MIDI fine.
Then I tried Tape Piano 2 which is built in HISE, plus Blaque & Apache which are also built using HISE and they don't drop the notes in FL using that MIDI so I don't think it is an FL issue as such. -
@gorangrooves said in Sample not triggered if MIDI overlaps:
@rzrsharpeprod That is an interesting note regarding the BPM. There was a HISE bug related to BPM in Fl Studio that was causing Fl Studio to freeze and crash, when the tempo would be set below 80bpm. That was fixed a few months back. Make sure you are testing with the latest develop branch commit. There could very well be another bug.
Should I just download the latest version & recompile HISE then do you think?
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@rzrsharpeprod Yes
