Tooltips for Disabled Components? (To Tell Users WHY a Widget Isn't Available)

[clevername27]

@Matt_SF Thank you for your response - an interesting solution. Unfortunately, I do have hundreds of controls.

[Matt_SF]

@clevername27 said in Tooltips for Disabled Components?:

Unfortunately, I do have hundreds of controls.

That's what I suspected

In a project, I'm using a broadcaster to display the controls' values on hover but this doesn't work either if the control is disabled.

A solution which could work would be to display the tool tip when the mouse hovers a certain area on the GUI, so no matter the state of the control.... But this means having to reference each control's area....

[ulrik]

@Matt_SF said in Tooltips for Disabled Components?:

@clevername27 said in Tooltips for Disabled Components?:

A solution which could work would be to display the tool tip when the mouse hovers a certain area on the GUI, so no matter the state of the control.... But this means having to reference each control's area....

I'm doing exactly that for a project I'm working on, but in my case it's rather easy to do since I'm using only 1 main panel

[Matt_SF]

@ulrik indeed it will be a tad more complicated if using a multi panel GUI

[ulrik]

@clevername27 this is a solution, but you have to collect all your components in an array and exclude the "on top over all" - panel (that track the mouse position)

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[Christoph Hart]

@ulrik yeah, unfortunately it's not easy to enable mouse hover on disabled components - it's deeply embedded into JUCE and hacking around this will definitely cause issues on another end, so I guess you'll have to do some hacking like you described.

[ulrik]

@Christoph-Hart Yeah, this works ok

[clevername27]

@ulrik Thank you once again for taking the time to write a solution here. You've inspired another approach - assuming our UI widgets, hierarchically, belong to panels, I think we could take your approach one step further, and automate the process to include more complex UIs (e.g., with tabbed panels):

• At INIT, look through all the components, and see which have tooltips.

• Read those components' starting points and dimensions — and create invisible, disabled, transparent panels (with standard or child panels, since it's at INIT), on top of the widgets with tooltips. (These panels have the tooltips for when a widget is disabled.)

• When enabling or disabling a widget, instead of calling set or get directly, call a user-defined "enable" function.

• In this function, when you enable or disable a widget, the transparent tooltip is disabled or enabled.

This seems doable in maybe 10 lines of code. The only question I can think of is ensuring that the tooltip panels are on top of the widgets, but other than that, seems sound?

[ulrik]

@clevername27 can you make a snippet and show what you mean?

[clevername27]

@ulrik Snippet below. Comments inside.

Would probably better implemented with a component property broadcaster, so when you enable/disable a component, the intended functionality is automatic - without making any changes to your existing code. But I didn't see how to set this up without creating a separate broadcaster for every component (with a tooltip). @Christoph-Hart?

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[ulrik]

@ulrik what about this solution?

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However the ScriptSlider "leaks" tooltip when disabled, if you disable the Knb1 and hover over the value numbers, the Knbs tooltip will be shown

EDITED: Changed the snippet to a better version

[ulrik]

@ulrik
btw, when trying to upload an image I get this message:
"Imgur is temporarily over capacity. Please try again later"

[d.healey]

@ulrik said in Tooltips for Disabled Components? (To Tell Users WHY a Widget Isn't Available):

@ulrik
btw, when trying to upload an image I get this message:
"Imgur is temporarily over capacity. Please try again later"

I remember reading that today Imugur is having a purge of all the porn on its servers, so that's probably affecting your dirty HISE pictures :)

https://www.wired.com/story/imgur-bans-porn/

[ulrik]

@d-healey said in Tooltips for Disabled Components? (To Tell Users WHY a Widget Isn't Available):

I remember reading that today Imugur is having a purge of all the porn on its servers, so that's probably affecting your dirty HISE pictures :)