HISE Logo Forum
    • Categories
    • Register
    • Login

    Vst Instrument without having to install the samples

    Scheduled Pinned Locked Moved General Questions
    53 Posts 10 Posters 4.8k Views
    Loading More Posts
    • Oldest to Newest
    • Newest to Oldest
    • Most Votes
    Reply
    • Reply as topic
    Log in to reply
    This topic has been deleted. Only users with topic management privileges can see it.
    • LindonL
      Lindon @Zaxo Herbert
      last edited by

      @Zaxo-Herbert you cant.

      HISE Development for hire.
      www.channelrobot.com

      AxiomCruxA 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 1
      • AxiomCruxA
        AxiomCrux
        last edited by

        This seems like a thing that should be part of the bundled instrument so that you don't have to have a sample folder where any user can take your sample files or has to unzip or separately download them..

        http://www.axiom-crux.net

        d.healeyD 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
        • d.healeyD
          d.healey @AxiomCrux
          last edited by d.healey

          @MacroMachines said in Vst Instrument without having to install the samples:

          where any user can take your sample files

          By any user you mean your customer?
          and by sample files you mean the thing they bought from you?

          But seriously any sample library of a significant size, > 100mb for example, would not make your users happy. All the samples would be loaded directly into RAM and there would be no disk streaming, not a good idea.

          Libre Wave - Freedom respecting instruments and effects
          My Patreon - HISE tutorials
          YouTube Channel - Public HISE tutorials

          AxiomCruxA 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 1
          • AxiomCruxA
            AxiomCrux @Lindon
            last edited by

            @Lindon I tried doing an export samples for installer, and then opening that file in the generated VST and it doesn't work, no sound.

            http://www.axiom-crux.net

            1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
            • AxiomCruxA
              AxiomCrux @d.healey
              last edited by

              @d-healey Not load everything directly in Ram, include it in the instrument file or somewhere that doesn't make every file available for someone to easily create their own instrument from the source files. Im not thinking so much in my use case, but in many other peoples case they spend an insane amount of time multi-sampling and editing acoustic instruments. I thought the whole point of having a monolith was to protect that from competitors.. as well as to compress it so the data is both smaller and more secure.

              http://www.axiom-crux.net

              d.healeyD 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 1
              • d.healeyD
                d.healey @AxiomCrux
                last edited by d.healey

                @MacroMachines If it's in the plugin then it's in RAM. If you use HISE's compression format, CH1 then it's not so easy for someone else to make an instrument from your samples because they'd first have to write a decompresser. I don't know of any reputable developer that would take another developers samples and resell them without their permission, do you?

                Libre Wave - Freedom respecting instruments and effects
                My Patreon - HISE tutorials
                YouTube Channel - Public HISE tutorials

                AxiomCruxA 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                • AxiomCruxA
                  AxiomCrux @d.healey
                  last edited by

                  @d-healey of course I don't know any personally, I don't associate with shady people, but they do exist. And again I'm not that concerned with my product designs being affected by that aspect, I'm more concerned about getting a first test version running as a plugin and speaking experientially that was a surprise upon firing up the first test, both that the plugin doesn't work with 1 single sample loaded. I was initially confronted with an unexpected requirement to provide something I haven't seen documented in the process yet, and that once I did provide it, it didn't work. It's a simple plugin so far with a couple of effects on a single sample, its taken days to get the compiler to work, and now the first test plugin doesn't work.. I'm just experiencing far more challenges than were expected based on the information I have been given.

                  And as far as the RAM thing, I've also tested cabbage, which gathers the sample files into the plugin file without loading them in RAM, they are simply wave files that are hidden inside the plugin vst file.

                  http://www.axiom-crux.net

                  1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                  • d.healeyD
                    d.healey
                    last edited by

                    Well I can see it being useful for a tiny patch, but then why bother using HISE, just make an SFZ or use Maize sampler. But for larger libraries the samples need to be streamed from disk.

                    Getting started with HISE can be a little bumpy, especially if you encounter unexpected errors during compilation but once you get a setup working everything after is fairly painless.

                    Libre Wave - Freedom respecting instruments and effects
                    My Patreon - HISE tutorials
                    YouTube Channel - Public HISE tutorials

                    1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                    • LightandSoundL
                      LightandSound
                      last edited by LightandSound

                      You can add you own downloader to your plugin within hise. That way your users can download the plugin freely, get authorization within the plugin to unlock it and then download the samples. No need to use anything separate. JUCE has all the networking needed for this and hooks up to AWS easily, so it's just a bit of cpp for your project needs

                      1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 1
                      • AxiomCruxA
                        AxiomCrux
                        last edited by

                        I found this in the help doc:

                        Export Pooled Files to Binary Resource
                        Will collect all pooled Audio-, Image-, MIDI files and SampleMaps and save them as .dat files in a newly created PooledResources folder in your project.

                        is this somehow related? Could this kind of thing be used to create the sample data in a way that works?

                        Now that the VST doesn't work, I have tried deleting the compiled vst file and recompiling hoping it might ask for the sample data again and I could try again, but it seems to compile and load with the not functioning version and I have no way to reset the sample data and try again.

                        @LightandSound I wish I had the JUCE chops to do something like that. I've tried using JUCE directly a few times and even though I know C++ and have done some large and involved projects I am not currently capable of making much inside JUCE directly. I would love to learn JUCE more in the future, and things like HISE are a clear path to facilitating that since I can theoretically create the core of my idea in HISE and then extend it as needed in the DSP. Its an interesting thought though.. but also as an end user experience, I would want to fire up the plugin and be going as quickly as possible.. having to sit and wait for a download upon first plugin launch would bother me, I would ideally want them to fire up and play a note and it works.

                        http://www.axiom-crux.net

                        LindonL 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                        • d.healeyD
                          d.healey
                          last edited by

                          You need to delete the config files in order to get the locate samples prompt again

                          Libre Wave - Freedom respecting instruments and effects
                          My Patreon - HISE tutorials
                          YouTube Channel - Public HISE tutorials

                          1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                          • LindonL
                            Lindon @AxiomCrux
                            last edited by

                            @MacroMachines so as @d-healey says you need to remove the config file to get to reinstall your samples - unless you have included the "move samples facility" in your plug-in;

                            go to:

                            windows: C/Users/yourname/AppData/Roaming/your_company_name/

                            and remove the your_product_name folder

                            mac: Macintosh HD/Users/yourname/Library/Applications Support/your_company_name/

                            and remove the your_product_name folder

                            if its not there look in:

                            Macintosh HD/Library/Applications Support/your_company_name/

                            HISE Development for hire.
                            www.channelrobot.com

                            AxiomCruxA 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                            • AxiomCruxA
                              AxiomCrux @Lindon
                              last edited by

                              @Lindon Thank you, I appreciate your help greatly :D. I'd be a bit lost without this info and you have responded very quickly.

                              http://www.axiom-crux.net

                              1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                              • AxiomCruxA
                                AxiomCrux
                                last edited by

                                So I did the process again, and now after I select the source hr1 file and the destination folder for samples, I get a message:

                                https://www.dropbox.com/s/wvbpycm577izuyo/Screenshot 2020-06-09 16.48.17.png?dl=0

                                Heavy sigh.

                                http://www.axiom-crux.net

                                1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                • d.healeyD
                                  d.healey
                                  last edited by

                                  That's ok. You have to restart the plugin and it should work.

                                  Libre Wave - Freedom respecting instruments and effects
                                  My Patreon - HISE tutorials
                                  YouTube Channel - Public HISE tutorials

                                  AxiomCruxA 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                  • AxiomCruxA
                                    AxiomCrux @d.healey
                                    last edited by AxiomCrux

                                    @d-healey I tried that, still silent. Also tried making a brand new project with 1 sample and 1 knob, exporting to vst and using the option to select the samples folder with the file I had used, still silent, nothing coming out of HISE based VST exports so far.

                                    http://www.axiom-crux.net

                                    d.healeyD 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                    • d.healeyD
                                      d.healey @AxiomCrux
                                      last edited by

                                      @MacroMachines What about standalone builds?

                                      Libre Wave - Freedom respecting instruments and effects
                                      My Patreon - HISE tutorials
                                      YouTube Channel - Public HISE tutorials

                                      AxiomCruxA 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                      • AxiomCruxA
                                        AxiomCrux @d.healey
                                        last edited by

                                        @d-healey Tried building one, it shows up but didn't ask about the sample location and doesn't have a midi input setting panel or typing keyboard input.

                                        http://www.axiom-crux.net

                                        LindonL 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                        • LindonL
                                          Lindon @AxiomCrux
                                          last edited by

                                          @MacroMachines OK go to the location I identified above, and open the file called LinkWindows

                                          it will have a location in it, go to that location and make sure that all the ch1 files are there.

                                          HISE Development for hire.
                                          www.channelrobot.com

                                          1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                          • d.healeyD
                                            d.healey
                                            last edited by

                                            Are your samples, the original Wav files, in your project's Samples folder?

                                            Libre Wave - Freedom respecting instruments and effects
                                            My Patreon - HISE tutorials
                                            YouTube Channel - Public HISE tutorials

                                            AxiomCruxA 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                            • First post
                                              Last post

                                            16

                                            Online

                                            1.7k

                                            Users

                                            11.8k

                                            Topics

                                            103.2k

                                            Posts