Global velocity modulator issue

[d.healey]

@ulrik Thanks for trying though :)

[d.healey]

@Christoph-Hart Any suggestions for making controlling gain via velocity in a situation like this where notes are remapped?

[Christoph Hart]

The problem is that you are creating a note after the global modulator has been processed, so it can't connect the velocity to the new artificial note and the rest is undefined behaviour (it basically stores the velocity value for the event ID that you're about to ignore in the script processor later on).

Just don't ignore the event and spawn off a new one, but use Message.setTransposeAmount() to change it to the notenumber you want to play. Btw, it's highly recommended over Message.setNoteNumber() because you don't need to bother about the note off at all - otherwise you'll get stuck notes pretty easily.

[d.healey]

@Christoph-Hart I don't think I can use this solution unfortunately. In the example I posted above it will work but in my real project I have to create notes because I'm generating guitar chords from single key presses and other such things.

[Christoph Hart]

Yeah, but it's kind of logical that you can't use a global modulator for locally generated notes, isn't it?

So you want to control multiple sound generator's velocity response with one table, yes?

[Christoph Hart]

So this looks like a workaround, but it's actually quite OK:

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So basically what happens is that I am using the event's gain property to communicate the velocity response of a script processor's table down the line (check how I used the Engine.createAndRegisterTableData() call in order to make a scripted table accesible to the main interface so you can still defer it). Then in each target sound generator, I am fetching the gain value and calculate the respective velocity for it. As long as you never use the original events (which you don't if I understand this use case, you should be fine).

[d.healey]

@Christoph-Hart Thanks, I'll check out your example

[d.healey]

Your example works, but I have another caveat :p

The way I'm mapping my samples is like this

I'm separating the guitar strings, rrs, and up/downs using velocity, and separating the dynamics across the playable range. So when I play my artificial notes I need to be able to control the note number and velocity regardless of what the user actually played. But I still need the real velocity to be passed to the gain mod. I thought the global modulator would take the real velocity, since it's before the scripts, and that's what I'd get at the gain target.

I know I could use another mapping system, like one group per string but that's going to end up with a lot of groups when I have lots of articulations and rrs.

[d.healey]

I've solved half the problem with my recent velocity range of 1 modification. So now each sample is mapped to the correct MIDI note, as shown in the below image. But I still need control over the velocity because I have each velocity layer separated.

I'm not finding any way I can get the velocity gain modulator to respond to the incoming MIDI velocity if I set the artificial note's velocity.

This snippet is a simple strum script. When you press a key a timer will play through each note in an array, each at a fixed velocity of 60. If I enable to velocity modulator in the gain section I just get silence. I need it to be fixed at the velocity of the note that triggered the on note callback, how can I achieve this?

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[ustk]

@d-healey I just tried moving your script in the interface proc and it seems to work so you might want to check that.

[d.healey]

@ustk hmm I will investigate

[d.healey]

@ustk It doesn't seem to work for me, the only difference is the velocity mod is now fixed at 60. What result do you get?

[d.healey]

Ok I just tested this in Kontakt and the behaviour is the same - how did I not know this!

The standard solution would be to use the change volume function on each note based on the real velocity. But I'm wondering if I can find a solution using a scripted voice start modulator.

[ustk]

@d-healey Like this, the velocity is the one you set in the script.
What if you do that:

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I'm sure you already know the "how to", so I imagine you have something in mind preventing you from using getVelocity()...

[ustk]

@d-healey I don't know how to use the scripted modulators, would be cool...

[d.healey]

@ustk

so I imagine you have something in mind preventing you from using getVelocity()...

Yeah this is the problem. I need to be able to specify the velocity. Have a look at my screenshots above, I have mapped each string, rr, and up/down of the guitar to a different velocity.

The other solution is to use individual groups but then each articulations (assuming 3 dynamics) will need 24 groups, and if I have 10 articulations that's a lot of groups to manage. And I can do it with 1 group per articulation with the velocity method.

I'm going to play around with the script modulator and if that doesn't work I'll just use a addVolumeFade command.

[d.healey]

I think I've done it :)

I capture the real velocity in a global variable and then I pick it up in a script modulator to apply the gain change.

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[ustk]

@d-healey Glad you found a solution mate ;)
So if I understand well this function returns the Gain (0-1 based) because the Voice Start Mod is in the Gain modulation...

function onVoiceStart(voiceIndex)
{
	return g_velocity / 127.0;}

[d.healey]

Yup - https://docs.hise.audio/hise-modules/modulators/voice-start-modulators/list/scriptvoicestartmodulator.html

[ustk]

Thought there was nothing in the doc yet... Wrong me...