Catalina has been released...
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Does anyone know if plugins made for Catalina (signed) will work with previous versions of macOS? If so, how far in previous versions will it work? I see that Audio Damage supports 10.9 Mavericks or newer and I wonder how they are knowing it for sure.
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In our plugins, I've just tested down to the Mavericks too. The plugins were signed and installer was notarized in Mojave and they work down to Mavericks.
Also probably, they should work down to a couple of level older versions too.
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AFAIK 10.7 is the oldest supported macOS version
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@orange said in Catalina has been released...:
In our plugins, I've just tested down to the Mavericks too. The plugins were signed and installer was notarized in Mojave and they work down to Mavericks.
Also probably, they should work down to a couple of level older versions too.
Do you test using macOS Mavericks on virtualbox?
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@SampleScience no, directly in the Operating system, without virtual box.
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@orange said in Catalina has been released...:
@SampleScience no, directly in the Operating system, without virtual box.
So you keep the old version, how do you know your plugins work on the newer versions of macOS?
I'm asking because the vast majority of support requests I get are from macOS users who have compatibility problems. There are never any problems with Windows versions of my plugins, but for the moment I use Maize Sampler.
With Maize Sampler you have to align the version of macOS with a specific version of Maize (use the version of Maize that was out at the same time as the version of macOS), otherwise, you get problems.
I'm trying to switch to Hise but I'm having a different set of problems with it (mostly export and project management issues).
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@SampleScience said in Catalina has been released...:
@orange said in Catalina has been released...:
@SampleScience no, directly in the Operating system, without virtual box.
So you keep the old version, how do you know your plugins work on the newer versions of macOS?
You aren't limited for installing only one operating system in each computer. I've installed 4 macOS versions in my mac computer. So when I lunch the computer, I select the one that I want to use.
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@orange said in Catalina has been released...:
You aren't limited for installing only one operating system in each computer. I've installed 4 macOS versions in my mac computer. So when I lunch the computer, I select the one that I want to use.
I didn't know you could do this with macOS, I thought it was only possible with Windows and Linux. Thank you for your answer!
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@SampleScience Yeah of course you can do it.
- Just create a partition in your main hard drive with disc utility.
- Then install the OS into the new partition
- When you open the mac, hold the "alt / option" key, then select the desired version
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@SampleScience I have MacOS, Windows 10, and Linux Mint, all installed on my Mac Mini :)
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@d-healey said in Catalina has been released...:
@SampleScience I have MacOS, Windows 10, and Linux Mint, all installed on my Mac Mini :)
Impressive! :) This is something I should do, it would be much more intelligent than using multiple computers like I'm doing now.
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@SampleScience This is the guide I followed - https://robpickering.com/triple-boot-macbook-pro-macos-windows-10-linux/
Use Linux Mint 17.3 (or equivalent Ubuntu version) for max compatibility.
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@d-healey said in Catalina has been released...:
@SampleScience I have MacOS, Windows 10, and Linux Mint, all installed on my Mac Mini :)
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@orange said in Catalina has been released...:
@SampleScience Here is the guide for signing and notarization ;) : https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=531663
I went through the thread and found that the signing of Maize made plugins doesn't work because: "the code-signing does not longer allow references to other files within the .component file". The way Maize Sampler works is by loading mse files found within the plugin. This means that I'll either have to move completely to Hise or cease to release macOS compatible plugins.
Another problem: I found their signing process slow and cumbersome considering I have close to 50 plugins in my catalog. lol Just thinking about it is painful. lol
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@Lindon said in Catalina has been released...:
@SampleScience plugins (no matter how they are built) dont need to be notorized, just codesigned.
I thought you were right but on KVR I've read this: "When it’s signed it seems to run fine first. But when I upload it and download it again, it will not run anymore. I’ve read somewhere in the documentation that all software needs to be notarized. They specifically mention plugins too." (quote by e-phonic: https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=531663&start=45 ).
So I guess that plugins, in order to work on Catalina, need to be both notarized and signed.
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@SampleScience said in Catalina has been released...:
So I guess that plugins, in order to work on Catalina, need to be both notarized and signed.
This begins to cause doubt in my head because both cases (notarized and not notarized) have "solid" arguments here and there...
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@ustk except as far as I read you cant notarize a plug-in. You can only notarize its installer or zip file
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@Lindon ah, we technically can't... So where does the error @SampleScience mentionned above come from
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@ustk many many misunderstandings(myself included)
"The notary service generates a ticket for the top-level file that you specify, as well as each nested file. For example, if you submit a disk image that contains a signed installer package with an app bundle inside, the notarization service generates tickets for the disk image, installer package, and app bundle."
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It's the zip file that you need to notarized, at least that's what I understood from reading the whole KVR thread. :P
In any case, for the moment I'm out. I'm just fed up by the whole situation and I'll probably go Windows only for my upcoming plugins. This way, I'll do what I like, which is to create plugins. Solving endless problems created by Apple has never been part of the plan for me.
