Midi Controller, Modwheel, and MIDI learn



  • I inserted a Midi controller with CC1 modwheel
    When doing a midi learn on any knob of the interface, the Midi Controller doesn't work anymore like it is bypassed somehow, until I remove the CC learned...
    Is it normal behaviour?



  • Yes this is intended behaviour. If you assign a CC to a knob, it will be "consumed" by it. Ableton Live (and a few other hosts / plugins) also work that way.



  • Ok... not good for me then
    I did that because I am using the modwheel in a global modulator, so it is available for all targets in my mod matrix along LFOs, ENV...
    Now if a user uses the CC learning and loses the modwheel in the matrix, is there a workaround?

    Hope it's clear... ☺



  • @ustk Assign CC94 (or another rarely used CC) to your modulator and forward CC1 messages to it in the on controller callback.



  • @d-healey Thanks
    It seems a trivial thing, but I can't figure it out...
    As soon as the Knob learns CC1, the controller callback doesn't even enter the if (Message.getControllerNumber() == 1) condition, as if CC1 is bypassed, or consumed as @Christoph-Hart said...

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  • @ustk Ah I see the problem... I'll have a think



  • I found a workaround, but it's not userBulletProof...

    • A hidden knob connected to CC1
    • The knob callback connected to a Constant Mod
    • Just need to hide the line in the Midi Learn Panel...

    The drawback: the user can navigate in the midi learn parameter list via keyboard arrows and delete the line without noticing anything...

    So my question is, can we connect a CC to a knob via script?



  • Nah that sounds like a terrible hack. I suggest you leave it like it is. We use the exact same setup in HEXERACT (MIDI learnable knobs plus a CC modulator that won‘t work if the Cc is consumed). Nobody ever complained about this.



  • @ustk

    Just need to hide the line in the Midi Learn Panel...

    Which line?

    So my question is, can we connect a CC to a knob via script?

    Yes, and it can control a knob via parameter ID too.

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  • @Christoph-Hart terrible... awful you mean 😂

    @d-healey
    your snippet needs to enter the getControllerNumber condition, which again is not possible when using CC learning...
    that was the idea:

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    But it's rubbish... I'll probably let it as it is, as Christoph said...



  • @Christoph-Hart said in Midi Controller, Modwheel, and MIDI learn:

    Yes this is intended behaviour. If you assign a CC to a knob, it will be "consumed" by it. Ableton Live (and a few other hosts / plugins) also work that way.

    How can I see what is "consuming" the ccs? I'm having trouble getting the midi learn working on macro knobs so im guessing the cc1 is already used somewhere... can i see that somewhere and delete that connection? the midi learn panel shows up empty! I know the plugin receives the cc messages because you can see the midi input light flashing when I move the controller.

    -h



  • @Henri-Vartio If a CC has been assigned via MIDI learn it will show up in the MIDI learn panel. No CCs are assigned to anything by default.



  • Wonder why the midi learn isnt working then? so basically what i have is a bunch of stuff assigned to the first macro controller and now im trying to midi learn that macro to the modwheel as per the instruction on the docs for hardwiring ccs. and like it just doesnt do anything after clicking midi learn.... its not even reacting to any other ccs stragely!
    any idea how to trouble shoot this?
    Im having the same problem in plugin and standalone



  • @Henri-Vartio Is MIDI learn working for standard (non-macro) knobs?



  • @d-healey
    Ok managed to get CC1 learned in the interface by making a knob that points to the macro and then midi learning that to CC1. so yeah seems like thats where it works for sure.
    But still would be awesome to have that working... straight in the macros. wonder whats up with it....


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