Sliders not responding to "Consumed" MIDI CCs

[CyberGen]

Hey guys,

I'm having the weirdest problem. Sliders are not responding to their assigned CCs even though the CC is showing as "consumed". In other words it appears assigned to the knob, but does not move it. I have not clue what's causing this. Is there a knob setting I should be ticking? I'm afraid I may be missing something glaringly obvious. But I must have done something during development that screwed this up and now I don't know how to fix it. Any tips on how to troubleshoot this?

I put together a one-knob demo snippet but I'm afraid it won't be of much help.

thx.

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[d.healey]

Maybe setCustomAutomation can help - https://docs.hise.dev/scripting/scripting-api/userpresethandler/index.html#setcustomautomation

[ulrik]

@CyberGen Your snippet is working here, midi cc is received and knob is moved

[CyberGen]

@ulrik I suspected that would happen. Thanks for taking a look. What would be your guess as to what the problem is?

[d.healey]

@CyberGen What channel are you sending CC data on?

[CyberGen]

@d-healey I'm sending channel 1 and receiving in all channels.

[CyberGen]

@d-healey I have also tried with different controllers. And the weirdest thing is that when I right click on the knob after "learning the CC" it gives me the option to remove the learned CC, which suggest that it's HISE is receiving MIDI just fine, but then doesn't move the knob.

[Chazrox]

@CyberGen I had some wierd bug regarding midi and I found on the forum somewhere that if your buffer settings in your DAW are 1024 or higher it would break the midi in some way...I thought that it sounded bogus until I tried it and it fixed my problem. Just throwing that out there because it seems your out in the deep like I was so it wont hurt to try!

[CyberGen]

@Chazrox good tip! thanks.

[CyberGen]

@CyberGen @Chazrox @d-healey @ulrik So by process of elimination I narrowed down the source of the problem to my customLoadPreset namespace. I am using:

uph.setUseCustomUserPresetModel(onPresetLoad, onPresetSave, true);

Something about this seems to be severing the MIDI CC connection. It works as far as recalling all my components, processors, modulators' values and attributes. But it seems to be the cause of the MIDI CC problem. When I don't "include" it, things work as expected.

Do you have any experience with this custom user preset model function?

[Chazrox]

@CyberGen I haven't rolled my own user preset handler myself yet.

[d.healey]

@CyberGen Why are you using that?

[CyberGen]

@d-healey So, I use it primarily to recall the state of attributes from multiple processors as well as some objects that contain data values. It's complicated but it works great for that purpose. However, it is clearly causing this issue for me. Just by commenting out the function and restarting HISE all knobs work properly with their assigned CCs.

[d.healey]

@CyberGen Yeah I think once you're using a custom preset data model you have to handle everything. I haven't used it myself so can't offer much guidance.

[CyberGen]

@d-healey it's weird because it's been great with everything else, it offers much more control over what you can restore with presets. I'm using a custom preset browser as well. So, everything works except for MIDI CCs. Which I'm not really messing with.

[CyberGen]

@d-healey if the MIDI channel is -1, does that mean all channels or undefined?

[CyberGen]

@CyberGen so, I added a midiAutomationHandler as well as mah.getAutomationDataObject() and mah.setAutomationDataObject() to my custom save and load functions respectively. It's still not working. Additionally I added mah.setUpdateCallback(midiDataObj) for good measure. Still not working.
I noticed that in the midiDataObject all Channels show as -1. But not sure if this means undefined or all.

@Christoph-Hart lil' help?

[CyberGen]

@CyberGen @ulrik @Chazrox @d-healey here is an updated snippet with a minimal example of the custom save/load function. The function is initially commented out so the knobs should move with your controller after you assign them. Then uncomment the function to test if controller still moves the knobs. Please let me know if they move for you. thx.

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[d.healey]

Maybe setCustomAutomation can help - https://docs.hise.dev/scripting/scripting-api/userpresethandler/index.html#setcustomautomation

[CyberGen]

@d-healey you genius!

This re-establishes connection. I haven't fully tested it with all knobs but it looks like this solves the issue. It does create a bunch of additional steps, so I'm not sure that I won't run into more trouble, but I can live with that.

I wish you would have posted it 20 minutes ago, before I posted the issue on github. I'll remove it.

thanks man.

[d.healey]

@CyberGen said in Sliders not responding to "Consumed" MIDI CCs:

before I posted the issue on github

I got the notification about the github post and it reminded me to check in here :)