Piano Sustain

[Robert Puza]

Does anyone have understanding of the virtual piano? How is sustain done? Are samples recorded without the pedal pressed and with the pedal pressed? do you have any tips for usable samples in the GPL project with the sustain pedal pressed ?

I don't mean the sound of the pedal, but the sound of the piano that it produces when the sustain pedal is pressed

apparently samples are mostly recorded so that the key is pressed for a long time, but the sustain pedal is not.

and I thought the effect would be the same. but it isn't. it is not the same

[d.healey]

@Robert-Puza Do you have a sustain pedal for your MIDI keyboard? If not you need to enable CC64 to engage the sustain behaviour.

[Robert Puza]

@Robert-Puza A piano has a different sound with the pedal pressed and a different sound without the pedal. true? I'm not only thinking about the length of the tone... but also the color of the sound. right? Unfortunately, I don't have a piano in my bedroom yet.

[Robert Puza]

@d-healey yes. that's clear. I'm not just concerned with the length of the note. but also about the color of the sound and the power of the original sustain
if the pedal on the original piano is
pressed

if I hear the sustain of the original piano (if the pedal is pressed), then I am very dissatisfied with my work.

I must have another sample for no sustain on the midi keyboard and another sample for pressed sustain on the midi keyboard. (maybe)

the piano has a different sustain if you hold the key for a long time without the pedal or hold it with the pedal and MAYBE it has a different sound if you hold the pedal and only hit the key briefly.

but in any case, the original piano has a different sound with a pedal than without a pedal

[d.healey]

I don't notice much difference in the tone when pressing the sustain pedal. The damper pedal affects the tone though and if you have a soft pedal that will also make a noticeable difference.

[Robert Puza]

@d-healey and the difference in the sustain sound? if we press the key for a long time without the pedal or with the pedal? is it the same on the original piano?

[Robert Puza]

@Robert-Puza it can't be the same. something blocks the piano if we don't press the pedal. if the pedal is pressed, it unlocks the strings. or not?

[d.healey]

@Robert-Puza If you hold the key down without the sustain pedal then the sound will decay fairly quickly. If you hold the sustain pedal it will decay more slowly. But you don't need to record separate sustained samples, just hold down your keyboard's sustain pedal or use CC64 and you will get a very good approximation of a sustain pedal with your non-sustain samples.

[Robert Puza]

@d-healey CC64? how is the sustain midi pedal normally set - factory. what CC? Not 64?

[d.healey]

@Robert-Puza CC64 is sustain pedal

[Robert Puza]

@d-healey but you know, it's the same as when I hold the keyboard for a long time without sustain. or not?

[Robert Puza]

@Robert-Puza the original sustain must be recorded so that the key is not pressed for a long time, but the pedal is.

[d.healey]

@Robert-Puza said in Piano Sustain:

@d-healey but you know, it's the same as when I hold the keyboard for a long time without sustain. or not?

I don't understand the question, can you rephrase it?

[Robert Puza]

@d-healey of course. If you hold down a key on the midi keyboard for a long time but you don't have your foot on the pedal, it's the same as if you hit the midi keyboard briefly but you have your foot on the pedal.

[Robert Puza]

@Robert-Puza but it is not the same for pianos

I need samples that were recorded with someone's foot on the pedal

at the moment, the more important sample for me is recorded so that the foot was on the pedal.

[d.healey]

@Robert-Puza said in Piano Sustain:

If you hold down a key on the midi keyboard for a long time but you don't have your foot on the pedal, it's the same as if you hit the midi keyboard briefly but you have your foot on the pedal

You can control this behaviour using an envelope.

[Robert Puza]

@d-healey I like your idea and it's definitely a good way to simulate sustain. But..

but is it technically possible? another sample map without CC64 And another sample map with active CC64? Or another sampler ? Possible?

[d.healey]

@Robert-Puza said in Piano Sustain:

another sample map without CC64 And another sample map with active CC64?

CC64 is a MIDI controller, the user can use it with any sample map.

If you want to record two sets of samples, sustained and not sustained then do that, but it's a lot of work and unnecessary.

[Robert Puza]

@d-healey yes. but it is necessary. The sustain of the piano is fascinating and I would like to highlight it. Thank You

The sound of a piano without a sustain pedal and with a sustain pedal are 2 different sound dimensions of a piano. if we use only one - ok. but the sustained version is more important - especially if we are creating a piano for calm - slow - melancholic music.

it is bad if the sustain of the virtual piano has a BLOCKED STRING sample. (pedal down, the string unlocks)