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    • orangeO
      orange @d.healey
      last edited by orange

      @d-healey

      So maybe what I need is a threshold for the amount of variation to compensate for?

      You are now describing limiter/compressor/expander 😊

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      • ustkU
        ustk @d.healey
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        @d-healey said in Matching Gain Before And After Effects:

        Sure they are, the knob is automatable for exactly this purpose. If the input goes up during playback they can bring down the output, and vice versa.

        In this case effectively you fall in the slow integration case and you might go down the input/output compensation. After all, the ancestor of a compressor was a fader adjusted manually...

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        • d.healeyD
          d.healey @orange
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          @orange Some compressors have auto makeup gain, how does that work because that's what I want :)

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          • ustkU
            ustk @d.healey
            last edited by ustk

            @d-healey To me, auto make up is a fixed compensation based on the different settings you adjusted, not an IN/OUT comparison (but I might have wrong here, or at least for some references)

            in this case, Auto make-up is not assimilable to gain line automation (the fluctuating signal has no impact on the auto gain that is set. On many compressors, make-up gain is simply a gain control, auto-make-up is a gain control compensated when you dial the comp parameters

            @orange exactly, Dave eventually described a comp/expander.

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            • d.healeyD
              d.healey @ustk
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              @ustk

              Dave eventually described a comp/expander.

              Not quite, I didn't mean a fixed input gain threshold, I meant a threshold of gain difference between the input and the output. So if the difference between the two is more than X turn the gain knob to compensate.

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              • ustkU
                ustk @d.healey
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                @d-healey I see... Are you not afraid a threshold can lead in some nasty fluctuations?

                I'll try to make scriptnode example that should work...

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                • d.healeyD
                  d.healey @ustk
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                  @ustk

                  Are you not afraid a threshold can lead in some nasty fluctuations?

                  I don't know what I'm doing or talking about so I have no fear 🐢

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                  • ustkU
                    ustk @d.healey
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                    @d-healey "FearlessDave" :beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes:

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                    • Dan KorneffD
                      Dan Korneff @d.healey
                      last edited by Dan Korneff

                      @d-healey said in Matching Gain Before And After Effects:

                      Some compressors have auto makeup gain, how does that work because that's what I want

                      I had to calculate a formula for a makeup curve depending on the settings of the compressor controls. It looks like this:

                      Math.log(((-Threshold.getValue() * 10) * Ratio.getValue() +1) + (((200 - Attack.getValue())+1)/100));
                      

                      Results may vary :beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes:

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                      • d.healeyD
                        d.healey @Dan Korneff
                        last edited by

                        @Dan-Korneff Thank you! Looks like I don't want that after all, but still useful to know.

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                        • ustkU
                          ustk @Dan Korneff
                          last edited by

                          @Dan-Korneff said in Matching Gain Before And After Effects:

                          Results may vary

                          Thought we didn't want gain fluctuations... πŸ€” 🀣

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                          • Dan KorneffD
                            Dan Korneff @ustk
                            last edited by Dan Korneff

                            @ustk "Results may vary" means the calculation isn't perfect. It's a constant level, but doesn't work great for light compression or extreme compression since peak Gain Reduction isn't factored in. Every other setting seems to balance out nicely.

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                            • ustkU
                              ustk @Dan Korneff
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                              @Dan-Korneff Yeah that was just a stupid joke attempt... πŸ˜†

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                              • Dan KorneffD
                                Dan Korneff @ustk
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                                @ustk
                                ha! my brain must not be working yet.

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                                • ustkU
                                  ustk @d.healey
                                  last edited by ustk

                                  @d-healey Alright I have made a little example of IN/OUT compensation that seems to work, with integration time, sensitivity is just a difference multiplier. High difference with ultra low smoothing time will make the pumping very apparent, so from there I guess it's just a matter of finding the most transparent settings...

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                                  • ustkU
                                    ustk @d.healey
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                                    @d-healey I forgot the threshold part... Hmm, I don't obviously see where to put one in this example πŸ€”

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                                    • ustkU
                                      ustk @d.healey
                                      last edited by

                                      @d-healey A wee bit better with Threshold and DRY/WET and FX LEVEL for testing purpose...

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                                      • d.healeyD
                                        d.healey @ustk
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                                        @ustk Wow thanks! I shall play around with it.

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                                        • d.healeyD
                                          d.healey @ustk
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                                          @ustk That works really well!

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                                          • ustkU
                                            ustk @d.healey
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                                            @d-healey Glad it’s what you needed!

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