I'm pretty lost with the new_layout layout...

[ustk]

@Christoph-Hart Since there are no more Custom workspace and Main workspace buttons, does this mean we should now use the more convoluted popup thingy?
If this new popup can be an improvement, the access from the tiny button on the left + menu is very annoying to me.
Would it be possible in this case to still have a ribbon aside from the 3 main buttons with a customisable popup list so we keep a top menu-like quick access?

[ustk]

Speaking of the Main workspace, where is it? Is it the Module tree tab that replaces it?
I'm definitely gonna miss the top buttons...

[d.healey]

@ustk said in I'm pretty lost with the new_layout layout...:

Speaking of the Main workspace, where is it? Is it the Module tree tab that replaces it?

Yes, I got used to it pretty quickly, and if you want the same main view you had in the previous version just click the top module and it's there.

Since there are no more Custom workspace

It's still there, go to the view menu.

[Christoph Hart]

Yeah, getting rid of that main workspace was one of the most liberating things ever - it was completely misleading how to use HISE and a relict of the old days where I tried to copy the KONTAKT workflow.

The new layout now emphasizes the three things where you are supposed to spend most time in:

1. interface design + scripting
2. sampling / sample map editing
3. scriptnode development

everything else is supposed to be used in a "modal" workflow, where you want to navigate to a problem, solve it and then go back to one of the three main tasks and I found that popups are the perfect UX representation for this procedure.

[ustk]

@Christoph-Hart That's a good thing indeed, but at the condition that switching between tiles/windows/popup is not impacted.
Before, getting to the DSP graph was at one single click (custom workspace).
Now you need to click this tiny button on the left, select the popup template, reconnect the interface/graph because it is lost every time you close that popup. Also, popups can't be moved to another screen.

[d.healey]

@ustk said in I'm pretty lost with the new_layout layout...:

popups can't be moved to another screen.

[ustk]

@d-healey Yeah it can be moved, but it does not appear on the other screen. It just disappears in the void...

[d.healey]

@ustk Do floating popout windows disappear too?

[ustk]

@d-healey No, this is what I always used.
Left screen => Floating window for the interface designer, and different tiles around it
Right screen => switch between code only, main workspace, and graph only. (so I don't need the interface in there)

[A Former User]

@ustk said in I'm pretty lost with the new_layout layout...:

@d-healey Yeah it can be moved, but it does not appear on the other screen. It just disappears in the void...

I can't move them to another screen... It just blocks it!

[Christoph Hart]

@ustk said in I'm pretty lost with the new_layout layout...:

Before, getting to the DSP graph was at one single click (custom workspace).

Now it's also just a single click, the DSP graph should appear as main workspace when you click the button in the module list, no need for a custom workspace (as long as you work inside that single window).
I admit I don't use any dual monitor setups in any of my systems, so there might be things that I've overseen (like this). So maybe we need the option to detach the workspaces into a dedicated window. If you then click on the module list workspace button, it communicates with the other window and updates the workspace there (kind of messy to implement but it would vastly improve the workflow for people with dual monitor setups).

but it does not appear on the other screen. It just disappears in the void...

Yes, the popups are not free floating windows of the OS but child components of the main window, however I could add a function to make them free floating (lots of DAWs also handle plugin windows this way).

[ustk]

@Christoph-Hart What was really nice is that the custom workspace was configured to get the graph full screen. I agree it is a good thing to switch automatically from the module list, but then if you want your graph to be full screen again (which is, at least to me, the only comfortable way to work with a graph), you have to fold all other tiles. And then unfold manually if going back to script.

Even more annoying, since my interface designer is on the left screen, I absolutely don't need it on the right one where I have the code full-screen. But if you go back from graph to code again, the interface unfolds again...
In short, I just need full-screen stuff at one click like before

In fact, from my point of view, the ideal would be to have only custom workspaces and for each a button at the top for a one-click switching.
And not only for the main window but for floating windows too ;)

[d.healey]

@ustk Couldn't you use a custom workspace with tabs to achieve the same thing? Once the auto unfolding issue is fixed.

[ustk]

@d-healey That is a good idea I haven't tried ;) let me have a look...

[ustk]

@d-healey I don't see how to create tabs...?

[d.healey]

@ustk One moment

[d.healey]

https://www.dropbox.com/s/2w1i6irqlag96i4/2021-10-08 13-11-28.mkv?dl=0

[ustk]

@d-healey Oh I see, from within the code editor is that what you mean? Seem rather a good idea except that you lose the possibility of adding another tile into a tab...

[d.healey]

@ustk

from within the code editor

It's unrelated to the code editor.

You can add tabs, you can add horizontal or vertical splits, etc. I posted something about this on Patreon on a few months ago with my custom layout attached as a JSON. You can load that into a floating tile to see some possibilities.

[ustk]

@d-healey Yeah I should have waited for your answer before posting... I've never seen the tab trick in a floating window and it is really nice for my workflow indeed!