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    • UD AUDIOU
      UD AUDIO @d.healey
      last edited by UD AUDIO

      @d-healey Sorry..you didn't asked me but
      "The most common form of envelope generator is controlled with four parameters:
      attack, decay, sustain and release (ADSR). " (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Envelope_(music))

      So it's useful for classic synths or whatever..

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      • d.healeyD
        d.healey @UD AUDIO
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        @UD-AUDIO Just use the AHDSR, do you think users will complain about extra control? :p

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        • UD AUDIOU
          UD AUDIO @d.healey
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          @d-healey I don't dislike the AHDSR. But sometimes you might want ADSR only.
          Just have a look at classic synths out there..there are a lot using ADSR.
          So I think there is no best option.
          And in FL Studio for example there is also DAHDSR which looks like this:

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          • d.healeyD
            d.healey
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            Well it's a lot of work to remove functionality :p What about just setting the hold time to 0?

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            • UD AUDIOU
              UD AUDIO @d.healey
              last edited by UD AUDIO

              @d-healey
              @staiff said in Global Modulator within Containers:

              another case: when you want to create just an ADSR (instead of AHDSR) : you can link the Hold and decay for just 1 button slider.

              Tried that but it's messy and the decay is not a straight line when the decay curve is set to 50% etc.
              The "MASTER" knob should have the same properties (ms).

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              • MikeBM
                MikeB @d.healey
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                @d-healey Because:

                a. The animation in the linked ADHSR floating tile graph bothers me.

                b. Because the approach you suggested some time ago - simply showing an unused module - doesn't work properly.
                I can't get back to 0 with the slider - even though it shows zero the graph and the ADHSR module slider is at 2 or 5 ms.

                I would also have to create a display dummy for each ADHSR module (8 of them).
                That seems overkill.

                A reasonable paint routine version would be the optimum here.

                I already have a solution from ulrik for decay (see snippet). Perhaps someone with the necessary mathematical knowledge can expand it and then post it as a snippet for everyone.

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                • MikeBM
                  MikeB @UD AUDIO
                  last edited by

                  @UD-AUDIO My question is only about the representation in the GUI, not about the function or the connection - which are known to me :-)

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                  • UD AUDIOU
                    UD AUDIO @MikeB
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                    @MikeB Stupid me :D

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                    • MikeBM
                      MikeB
                      last edited by

                      This is my attempt - I can't get much further than that.
                      I can't connect the knobs with the dots
                      And above all I don't get any bezier curves in the attack, decay and release.

                      If someone with the basic mathematical knowledge of Leonardo Fibonacci can help me?

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                      • MikeBM
                        MikeB
                        last edited by

                        No one who can help me here? 😧

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                        • NatanN
                          Natan @MikeB
                          last edited by

                          @MikeB Dear Mike
                          Why Not Making It With Sliders And LAF?
                          So They Look Nicer, And Draggable Aswell?

                          You Just Need Rectangles And Triangle, Right?

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                          • MikeBM
                            MikeB @Natan
                            last edited by

                            @Natan Actually, I would like to display this in my gui
                            Bildschirmfoto 2021-08-20 um 17.43.50.png

                            only without animation like in the FloatingTile
                            But drawn as a path and moved by the knobs.
                            As in my first snippet above.

                            I hope one of the PaintRoutine masters here has a few minutes to do this. :folded_hands:

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                            • d.healeyD
                              d.healey @MikeB
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                              @MikeB I really think we can do this with the default floating tile and just disable the animation in the source (maybe we could even add it as a setting).

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                              • MikeBM
                                MikeB @d.healey
                                last edited by

                                @d-healey That would be fantastic of course. I already thought that it can't be impossible to switch off the animation and wanted to search the source code. But if you can do it, that's better.
                                Thanks Dave.

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                                • d.healeyD
                                  d.healey @MikeB
                                  last edited by

                                  @MikeB I'll look into it. Just so I can check though, you have a project with several envelopes and they all have the same adsr values, so you just need to display one?

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                                  • MikeBM
                                    MikeB @d.healey
                                    last edited by

                                    @d-healey
                                    Great - no I have several ADSR FloatingTiles and they all have different values.
                                    Therefore a standard AHDSR graph without animation would be wonderful.
                                    Alternatively an AHDSR-Graph drawn with PaintRoutine.

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                                    • NatanN
                                      Natan @MikeB
                                      last edited by

                                      @MikeB Dear Mike

                                      You Don't Like That Moving Circle Animation, On Adsr! Correct?

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                                      • Matt_SFM
                                        Matt_SF @MikeB
                                        last edited by

                                        @MikeB I'm scratching my head since yesterday to get Path.quadraticTo() working correctly with ADSR knobs + atkCurve and dcyCurve. It can work but it's a mess and requires a bunch of code lines (although I'm sure @d-healey would find a beautiful way to write it).
                                        If there's a way to use the default floating tile to do it, I think it would be much better.

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                                        • d.healeyD
                                          d.healey @MikeB
                                          last edited by

                                          @MikeB said in Paint Routines ADSR:

                                          herefore a standard AHDSR graph without animation would be wonderful.

                                          I think this is the way to go. I'll try and figure it out for you.

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                                          • MikeBM
                                            MikeB @d.healey
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                                            @d-healey You are my hero ⭐ ⭐ ⭐ ⭐ ⭐ 👍 👍 👍 👍 👏 👏 👏 👏

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