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    • JayJ
      Jay
      last edited by

      I think we'll need an intervention from the master @Christoph-Hart

      Joansi Villalona

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      • ustkU
        ustk
        last edited by

        A VSTi if you have a sampler inside obviously...
        Please try standalone first, that's the easiest…
        I honestly don't understand why it doesn't work for you guys, it is just routings and a sampler, there no reason something weird is happening in that part

        Can't help pressing F5 in the forum...

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        • JayJ
          Jay @ustk
          last edited by

          @ustk but why don't you post your working snippet?

          Joansi Villalona

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          • ustkU
            ustk
            last edited by

            Hum… I did it approximately 5 times in this thread… and all of them are working for me, in Hise and once exported. Do you think I am giving you something that doesn't work while I am working with something else?

            Can't help pressing F5 in the forum...

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            • JayJ
              Jay @ustk
              last edited by

              @ustk I can confirm only the mid work in standalone but no the sides, but I think we don't need it to work as an instrument we need it as a plugin.

              Joansi Villalona

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              • orangeO
                orange
                last edited by orange

                I think @ustk code is ok, but there is a weird bug that we can't find yet.

                develop Branch / XCode 13.1
                macOS Monterey / M1 Max

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                • ustkU
                  ustk
                  last edited by

                  Ok...
                  I replaced the sampler for a synth with stereo content, so you don't need to care of the source anymore...
                  I added 2 buttons just to switch on/off an EQ on Mid, and on Side so you can hear they are affected independently

                  I tested as standalone => it works perfectly

                  I tested as VSTi in Pro Tools (via Bluecat Patchwork) AND compared to another M/S plugin (Brainworx bx_meter) placed on the same track, just after my M/S plugin, in order to solo the two signals => it works perfectly with NO difference between the two plugins

                  The EQs are NOT affecting each other in any possible way, in Hise, Standalone, and VSTi...

                  The Hise version I am using is in my signature

                  Here is the snippet I used, exactly the one I used, with no modifications:

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                  I don't say this is the best way to achieve M/S, but sure it works

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                  • JayJ
                    Jay @ustk
                    last edited by

                    @ustk for me it only works as standalone but not plugin

                    Joansi Villalona

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                    • LindonL
                      Lindon
                      last edited by

                      is everybody on the same platform? @ustk seems to be on MacOS

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                      • orangeO
                        orange @Jay
                        last edited by orange

                        @ustk @Jay said in How to make Mid-Side processing?:

                        @ustk for me it only works as standalone but not plugin

                        Ok I found the cause. I deleted the master routing matrix 11-12 and 13-14 lines (only set to 1-2) and put 2 routers for those channels to link 1-2 at the end of the chain. It works on windows for fx plugins now :) For Fx plugins, you need to put Router in the fx chain, do not wire lines on the master router matrix. It can work on instruments but it doesn't work on fx plugins. Now there you go ;)

                        QUICK TIP: If the main VU meters on the Hise interface (right top) isn't active, that means your output won't work even it sounds in Hise (for fx plugins). In previous snippets, Hise master vu meters aren't picking. But now, after puting routers, they do.

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                        macOS Monterey / M1 Max

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                        • ustkU
                          ustk
                          last edited by

                          @orange Glad you found a solution 😉
                          Effectively I worked only VSTi here
                          The main meter is only connected to 1-2

                          Can't help pressing F5 in the forum...

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                          • JayJ
                            Jay @orange
                            last edited by Jay

                            @orange I hear a double signal coming out, is this because we're merging ch 1 + 2 + 11 + 12?

                            Joansi Villalona

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                            • orangeO
                              orange @Jay
                              last edited by

                              @Jay Yeah it needs to be like that. But don't forget that, if you put a unit to the mid or side section, and if the unit has a latency, you can hear double. Because one section comes a little bit behind from the other one.

                              For example, Hise dynamics compressor has a big latency if you set the attack above the 50 ms. So let's say if you put this compressor only mid, then sides will come 50 ms earlier and you will hear doubled sound.

                              develop Branch / XCode 13.1
                              macOS Monterey / M1 Max

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                              • JayJ
                                Jay @orange
                                last edited by

                                @orange Yeah, that's what's happening.

                                Thanks.......

                                Joansi Villalona

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                                • W
                                  Win Conway
                                  last edited by

                                  Sorry, have had a couple of family things happen here, but i am going to make up with it by doing a full article from nulling through to mid side.

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