The end is nigh...

[sletz]

Not completely in the subject, but I gave ChatGPT the subject of an exam I give each year on C++ and audio programming . The bot can answer, even code writing exercices (simple ones...). It would obtain something like 18/20 :anguished_face: . What are teachers supposed to do now !?

[d.healey]

@sletz said in The end is nigh...:

What are teachers supposed to do now !?

Don't worry about it. Those who want to learn will still learn, those who don't never did.

[d.healey]

Haha

HISE (Hamburgers Intelligent Sample Engine) is an open-source software development kit for creating audio plug-in

[gorangrooves]

@sletz they'll continue to teach.

The thing is that no programmer in the world, no matter how great they may be, knows everything. So, the AI can be a wonderful helpful tool to augment your knowledge, skills and ideas.

[ustk]

@d-healey

@d-healey said in The end is nigh...:

@sletz said in The end is nigh...:

What are teachers supposed to do now !?

Don't worry about it. Those who want to learn will still learn, those who don't never did.

Temptation will convert the tangent ones, especially new generations who are born and surrounded with this as it will become a normality. This is already the situation now when you see how school evolves and the value of certificates compared to just a few decades ago as official reports are showing. The fact is that more and more student are cheating with these tools, and now the days of google translate are over teacher can't alway detect the treachery. But like weapons, the tool isn't the problem, right ?
There are and there always was cheaters, but if you offer the tool that allows it in an everyday life, soon the border won't be that obvious. Laziness will always win, and soon to obtain sounds and presets without searching or working... I myself prefer to walk and discover the path than getting everything right away, maybe because I am lucky enough to be old enough :)

[gorangrooves]

@ustk Cheating? Is it really? When you need to find out an answer to something, do you go read every book in the library, or do you search for an answer in Google?

You could say that driving somewhere in a car instead of riding a horse is cheating, as that is how it used to be done in the past.

Things are constantly evolving, and things we had to learn how to do in the past we will no longer need to know, but we will require different sets of skills. They used to try to stuff my head in school with a whole lot of unnecessary information about so many things. Why should a child, for example, learn about a country's population when it constantly changes? Height of a mountain? Who cares? I'll just Google it if I ever decide to climb it.

We need to teach and learn to be resourceful and to know where to find information when we need it and how to use the tools at our disposal. Those tools are changing and evolving.

[ustk]

@gorangrooves said in The end is nigh...:

@ustk Cheating? Is it really? When you need to find out an answer to something, do you go read every book in the library, or do you search for an answer in Google?

Well, I'am obviously not talking about looking for an answer to a given problem but complete homework done by AI, and I'm not the one who make official reports about that ;)
Search engines can be seen as any book/encyclopaedia where search and trial is on your side, while AI is clearly made to perform a task for you, I thought the difference was obvious.

Things are constantly evolving, and things we had to learn how to do in the past we will no longer need to know, but we will require different sets of skills. They used to try to stuff my head in school with a whole lot of unnecessary information about so many things. Why should a child, for example, learn about a country's population when it constantly changes? Height of a mountain? Who cares? I'll just Google it if I ever decide to climb it.

That's how general knowledge of a population goes down, and that you struggle having simple answers for a 7 years old math problem from children twice of the age, I see this in my everyday life and I am not the only one. This is the tendency and it's a fact, not just me going crazy. And I'm not talking about the general language capacity that make some simple conversations a real struggle . Or you mean we don't need school anymore because a big percentage have a phone with all answers in the pocket?

We need to teach and learn to be resourceful and to know where to find information when we need it and how to use the tools at our disposal. Those tools are changing and evolving.

Very true and I follow you here. Although this is not incompatible with learning general knowledge. General knowledge gives a way to the mind to find answers to a problem, brings logic, and ameliorate communication between individuals. All the things that are diminishing nowadays (again, don't fire up on me please, this is the real trend as reported by experts and not something I'am making up...). Of course this is not related to AI but to something more complex and older. Although I don't see how AI will help here...

The topic is sensitive for sure and divides. And to me that is a proof that care has to be taken before releasing such a tentacled beast in the nature as a new fancy toy that will save humanity.

[yall]

@Christoph-Hart
I just asked chat gpt to write the following code for hise.
hello gpt ^^ . wrote a code to display the presets in a combobox named CB and load the presets from this same combobox in hise.
unbelievable !!!

[d.healey]

@yall Did it work? I have yet to see it provide any code that works first time. Usually you need to already know how to write the code you're asking for in order to guide it to the correct destination.

[yall]

@d-healey je n' ai pas où essayer mais ce qu il a écrit me semble réel. Je vais poster un extrait d un truc simple

[yall]

@d-healey

mybtn.onClick = function() {
   var value = simpleGain1.getAttribute("gain");
   value = value + 0.1;
   if (value > 10) {
       value = -100;
   }
   simpleGain1.setAttribute("gain", value);
};

I asked to connect a button to an avzc gain as a value -100 to +10

[d.healey]

@yall That code is all kinds of wrong. It's writing Javascript. Go tell it to watch my YouTube videos :D

[yall]

@d-healey