<![CDATA[Matrix modulation connection is broken in exported plugin]]>So I have:

  • UI sliders connected to Matrix Modulators via matrixTargetId
  • networks using extra_mod nodes and ExternalModulation for their parameters
  • and of course because it is necessary, a Global Modulation Container.

Everything works fine within Hise.

But once exported, the sound does not change, neither from UI sliders nor from preset load.

  • I tried to connect the UI sliders to the Value parameter of the Matrix Modulator for direct control, but it does not help.
  • The same issue applies for interpreted networks (ScriptFX) and compiled DLL (hardcoded master FX)

so the connection is broken somewhere in exported plugin, but AI seems to be lost with it...

Should anything be taken care of in the script? Like a connection initialisation of some sort?

]]>https://forum.hise.audio/topic/14670/matrix-modulation-connection-is-broken-in-exported-pluginRSS for NodeSat, 09 May 2026 17:33:48 GMTSun, 26 Apr 2026 15:25:53 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to Matrix modulation connection is broken in exported plugin on Tue, 05 May 2026 22:31:31 GMT]]>@Christoph-Hart Yes it an embedded network, very simple, in the scriptFX

What about your snippet that I can test on my side?
And are you on windows or mac? I wonder if the difference can lie there... Especially since I have a straight crash with VST3 while AU, at least, can load

]]>https://forum.hise.audio/post/120138https://forum.hise.audio/post/120138Tue, 05 May 2026 22:31:31 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Matrix modulation connection is broken in exported plugin on Tue, 05 May 2026 21:14:50 GMT]]>@ustk yup that's the plugin host telling his version number.

I tried to load your snippet, but the hardcoded FX is empty (of course, I don't have compiled your network) - is it just the script_fx network in the Script FX that I need to compile?

This looks remarkably equivalent to my snippet though (which worked).

]]>https://forum.hise.audio/post/120131https://forum.hise.audio/post/120131Tue, 05 May 2026 21:14:50 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Matrix modulation connection is broken in exported plugin on Tue, 05 May 2026 19:50:14 GMT]]>@David-Healey said in Matrix modulation connection is broken in exported plugin:

@ustk Why is xcode referencing 8.0.3

After analysing everything, AI confirmed Hise is built and running on Juce 6, and it says:

The assertion you hit is most likely thrown by the JUCE-8 plugin's code (in the v8.0.3 message thread), not by HISE's JUCE 6.

Since I am debugging using pluginval which is built on Juce8, that's 99% the origin of XCode reporting Juce8 message thread

]]>https://forum.hise.audio/post/120128https://forum.hise.audio/post/120128Tue, 05 May 2026 19:50:14 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Matrix modulation connection is broken in exported plugin on Tue, 05 May 2026 14:01:21 GMT]]>@David-Healey yes, always had (custom branches but one folder/repo)
Also I just re-aligned develop origin onto upstream to be sure (I had some merge commits because of past manual fork syncing) but no changes regarding the issue and the VST3 crash.

]]>https://forum.hise.audio/post/120114https://forum.hise.audio/post/120114Tue, 05 May 2026 14:01:21 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Matrix modulation connection is broken in exported plugin on Tue, 05 May 2026 13:48:29 GMT]]>@ustk Definitely only got one copy of the source?

]]>https://forum.hise.audio/post/120112https://forum.hise.audio/post/120112Tue, 05 May 2026 13:48:29 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Matrix modulation connection is broken in exported plugin on Tue, 05 May 2026 13:44:46 GMT]]>@David-Healey To this day I have no answer for this...

]]>https://forum.hise.audio/post/120111https://forum.hise.audio/post/120111Tue, 05 May 2026 13:44:46 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Matrix modulation connection is broken in exported plugin on Tue, 05 May 2026 13:38:33 GMT]]>@ustk Why is xcode referencing 8.0.3

]]>https://forum.hise.audio/post/120110https://forum.hise.audio/post/120110Tue, 05 May 2026 13:38:33 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Matrix modulation connection is broken in exported plugin on Tue, 05 May 2026 13:36:15 GMT]]>@David-Healey Perhaps... But I am JUCE 6... Or schizophrenic... 🤷♂

Screenshot 2026-05-05 at 15.33.51.png

]]>https://forum.hise.audio/post/120109https://forum.hise.audio/post/120109Tue, 05 May 2026 13:36:15 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Matrix modulation connection is broken in exported plugin on Tue, 05 May 2026 13:30:47 GMT]]>@ustk Could all your problems be related to this juce 8 thing?

]]>https://forum.hise.audio/post/120108https://forum.hise.audio/post/120108Tue, 05 May 2026 13:30:47 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Matrix modulation connection is broken in exported plugin on Tue, 05 May 2026 13:23:59 GMT]]>@Christoph-Hart Another strange behaviour, I am currently trying with AU export, which is working aside of the current problem we are trying to solve. I guess it's related to MacOS (me) vs Windows (you?)
But that same snippet exported as VST3, and ableton live says:

Screenshot 2026-05-05 at 15.22.24.png

Screenshot 2026-05-05 at 15.19.39.png

]]>https://forum.hise.audio/post/120105https://forum.hise.audio/post/120105Tue, 05 May 2026 13:23:59 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Matrix modulation connection is broken in exported plugin on Tue, 05 May 2026 02:06:50 GMT]]>@ustk said in Matrix modulation connection is broken in exported plugin:

@Christoph-Hart Are you exporting an FX or INSTRUMENT?

I have the same issue on the exported fx plugin and reported a while ago: https://forum.hise.audio/topic/13977/modulation-matrix-fx-plugin-crashes-in-daw?_=1777946560667

]]>https://forum.hise.audio/post/120090https://forum.hise.audio/post/120090Tue, 05 May 2026 02:06:50 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Matrix modulation connection is broken in exported plugin on Mon, 04 May 2026 20:59:08 GMT]]>@Christoph-Hart Nothing that I can test make it work, using develop branch. (note that it crashes with develop when a scriptFX is present in the tree)

A macro or a flag I missed perhaps?

]]>https://forum.hise.audio/post/120088https://forum.hise.audio/post/120088Mon, 04 May 2026 20:59:08 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Matrix modulation connection is broken in exported plugin on Mon, 04 May 2026 18:02:29 GMT]]>@Christoph-Hart I've made this simple snippet and it doesn't work. Not from UI parameter, not from LFO...
What did I do wrong? 🤔

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]]>https://forum.hise.audio/post/120087https://forum.hise.audio/post/120087Mon, 04 May 2026 18:02:29 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Matrix modulation connection is broken in exported plugin on Mon, 04 May 2026 16:19:15 GMT]]>@Christoph-Hart Any snippet for me to test out?

]]>https://forum.hise.audio/post/120085https://forum.hise.audio/post/120085Mon, 04 May 2026 16:19:15 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Matrix modulation connection is broken in exported plugin on Mon, 04 May 2026 16:15:02 GMT]]>@Christoph-Hart Are you exporting an FX or INSTRUMENT?

]]>https://forum.hise.audio/post/120084https://forum.hise.audio/post/120084Mon, 04 May 2026 16:15:02 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Matrix modulation connection is broken in exported plugin on Mon, 04 May 2026 15:55:43 GMT]]>I'm testing pretty much this setup:

  1. global mod => LFO
  2. hardcoded FX in master chain with network:
    • 1 parameter, set to combined
    • modulates a osc.freqRatio
    • extra_mod slot has a MatrixModulator connected to the LFO
    • no preset, nothing, just the default state

Load VST3 instance => pitch wobbles. Before the fix it didn't.

]]>https://forum.hise.audio/post/120081https://forum.hise.audio/post/120081Mon, 04 May 2026 15:55:43 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Matrix modulation connection is broken in exported plugin on Mon, 04 May 2026 15:51:07 GMT]]>@Christoph-Hart Mmmm... Maybe because I am still using a basic ScriptFX in the project that I don't compile (but I can compile it and use it in a hcfx) that the crash happens without the samplerate fix. I'll try to place it in a HCFX to sse if it's at least stable without the fix.
But yeah that's not related to the HCFX module thing

The setup is:

  • FXs are hardcoded modules
  • They make use of NUM_HARDCODED_FX_MODS=8
  • Extra mod slots are receiving a matrix modulator
  • UI components have a matrixTargetId set to the corresponding matrix modulator name of the corresponding hcfx

In the networks:

  • there are extra_mod nodes set to the index of the extra mod slot
  • Corresponding network parameters have their ExternalModulation property set to Combined

HCFX modules are bypassed from UI buttons.

So at init, the state of the project has been saved with the init preset, that has all modules unbypassed by default. Then other presets are bypassing/unbypassing the modules as you load them. It's only when a module has been cycled bypassed/unbypassed at least once that is actually able to modify the sound

]]>https://forum.hise.audio/post/120080https://forum.hise.audio/post/120080Mon, 04 May 2026 15:51:07 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Matrix modulation connection is broken in exported plugin on Mon, 04 May 2026 15:33:42 GMT]]>@ustk no my test never touches that codepath. I'm loading a compiled network in a hardcoded fx - all your changes are modifying the script FX modules. What's your exact setup?

]]>https://forum.hise.audio/post/120072https://forum.hise.audio/post/120072Mon, 04 May 2026 15:33:42 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Matrix modulation connection is broken in exported plugin on Mon, 04 May 2026 15:29:58 GMT]]>@Christoph-Hart I expect your binary to crash if you don't have samplerate fix from above. Or something is definitely weird...
I you need I can provide you with my project.

]]>https://forum.hise.audio/post/120071https://forum.hise.audio/post/120071Mon, 04 May 2026 15:29:58 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Matrix modulation connection is broken in exported plugin on Mon, 04 May 2026 15:25:19 GMT]]>@ustk ah yes sure, now I'm back on track. Let me just check the current example as exported plugin, but I checked this exact setup back when I fixed it last week.

]]>https://forum.hise.audio/post/120070https://forum.hise.audio/post/120070Mon, 04 May 2026 15:25:19 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Matrix modulation connection is broken in exported plugin on Mon, 04 May 2026 15:21:19 GMT]]>@Christoph-Hart AI said that it was initillay because Hise already prepared all the processes (or something like this) so modules are well ready to work.
But exported plugins needs to do it at init so prepare to play was not ready yet (or reset with bad samplerate) when the modules are initialising, if it ever make sense to you...

]]>https://forum.hise.audio/post/120069https://forum.hise.audio/post/120069Mon, 04 May 2026 15:21:19 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Matrix modulation connection is broken in exported plugin on Mon, 04 May 2026 15:18:21 GMT]]>@Christoph-Hart said in Matrix modulation connection is broken in exported plugin:

We're talking about loading the project fresh in HISE, right?

No, it was always working in Hise, the issue is with the exported binary.

]]>https://forum.hise.audio/post/120068https://forum.hise.audio/post/120068Mon, 04 May 2026 15:18:21 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Matrix modulation connection is broken in exported plugin on Mon, 04 May 2026 15:15:22 GMT]]>@ustk but that's not the hardcoded master FX - just tried again with a simple dsp network that modulates an osc with an extramod - it initialises the connection correctly. We're talking about loading the project fresh in HISE, right?

But your fix look good, no reason to call this with a samplerate of zero.

]]>https://forum.hise.audio/post/120067https://forum.hise.audio/post/120067Mon, 04 May 2026 15:15:22 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Matrix modulation connection is broken in exported plugin on Mon, 04 May 2026 15:13:20 GMT]]>@Christoph-Hart Ok so due to other another issue that causes an instant DAW crash, I need to stay on my custom branch.

The fix I've made is:
Screenshot 2026-05-04 at 17.09.59.png

Don't bother the GlobalModulators.h, I reverted it...

But I confirm it's only working when cycling bypass once after init. If it's related to my fix I don't know, because I can't remove it without seeing the plugin crashing the DAW...

]]>https://forum.hise.audio/post/120066https://forum.hise.audio/post/120066Mon, 04 May 2026 15:13:20 GMT