<![CDATA[Matrix Modulators not driven by the controls in exported plugin]]>So my UI sliders processorId and parameterId are set to control the MM Value parameters of the different Extra slots. Corresponding extra_mod nodes are properly linked in each network I have.

All networks have been compiled and loaded into hardcoded FXs

Everything works fine in Hise, be it direct slider control or from the modulators

But in exported plugin, all root parameters connected to the extra_nodes are staying quiet.
Direct ol' parameter connections are working, so I'm sure the networks are enabled and producing sound.
When dragging a modulator to a knob, I can see the mod bar raising with the level, but the parameter is not modulating (aka lastModValue not updating)

It might not be the Matrix Modulators that are not being controlled, might be later in the chain, extra_mod nodes, etc...

To be clear on my settings

  • sliders have matrixTargetId and corresponding MM have the same ID
  • sliders processorId & parameterId are connected to the MM's Value parameter in the hardcoded modules extra slots
  • networks root parameters are set to combined
  • extra_mod nodes are properly controlled from UI and Matrix Modulation
  • since it's an FX plugin, AllowPolyphonic is disabled in nodes and networks

Is there any specific flag to set when exporting plugins for the new modulation system to work?

]]>https://forum.hise.audio/topic/14354/matrix-modulators-not-driven-by-the-controls-in-exported-pluginRSS for NodeSun, 19 Apr 2026 20:26:14 GMTTue, 03 Feb 2026 20:09:20 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to Matrix Modulators not driven by the controls in exported plugin on Fri, 06 Feb 2026 19:35:05 GMT]]>@Orvillain So that is one more confirmation toward the extra_mod connection not being effective... @Christoph-Hart?

]]>https://forum.hise.audio/post/117483https://forum.hise.audio/post/117483Fri, 06 Feb 2026 19:35:05 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Matrix Modulators not driven by the controls in exported plugin on Thu, 05 Feb 2026 11:24:17 GMT]]>@ustk said in Matrix Modulators not driven by the controls in exported plugin:

But do you use extra_mod nodes along with the parameters ExternalModulation set to Combined or just normal parameter connection in the networks?

No I am not using extra_mod. I'm using custom C++ nodes, with normal parameter connections. I do used the 'Combined' ExternalModulation setting with my parameters though.

]]>https://forum.hise.audio/post/117479https://forum.hise.audio/post/117479Thu, 05 Feb 2026 11:24:17 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Matrix Modulators not driven by the controls in exported plugin on Thu, 05 Feb 2026 11:21:23 GMT]]>@Orvillain said in Matrix Modulators not driven by the controls in exported plugin:

That's what I've been doing, and my modulation all works fine in an exported plugin.

But do you use extra_mod nodes along with the parameters ExternalModulation set to Combined or just normal parameter connection in the networks?

Because this would confirm what @Goodflow and I are witnessing...

Gosh I hope this will be resolved soon enough, I have the release date approaching fast...

]]>https://forum.hise.audio/post/117477https://forum.hise.audio/post/117477Thu, 05 Feb 2026 11:21:23 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Matrix Modulators not driven by the controls in exported plugin on Wed, 04 Feb 2026 13:42:38 GMT]]>@ustk
@Orvillain
I noticed that Christoph has joined the conversation, so I'll hold back now to avoid causing any confusion. :-)

]]>https://forum.hise.audio/post/117417https://forum.hise.audio/post/117417Wed, 04 Feb 2026 13:42:38 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Matrix Modulators not driven by the controls in exported plugin on Wed, 04 Feb 2026 11:52:49 GMT]]>@Orvillain I'd like it to be the case and I tried with success in my project yesterday...
But in the minimal example I posted I can't seem to make it work without it. Perhaps I've made a silly mistake, could you check it out?

EDIT: after reopening the project, it works without the processorId... go figure...

]]>https://forum.hise.audio/post/117406https://forum.hise.audio/post/117406Wed, 04 Feb 2026 11:52:49 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Matrix Modulators not driven by the controls in exported plugin on Wed, 04 Feb 2026 11:39:18 GMT]]>@ustk
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I'm fairly confident you don't need to use processorId and parameterId at all - just the matrixTargetId. It has to match the id that your particular matrix modulator has.

]]>https://forum.hise.audio/post/117405https://forum.hise.audio/post/117405Wed, 04 Feb 2026 11:39:18 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Matrix Modulators not driven by the controls in exported plugin on Wed, 04 Feb 2026 11:52:11 GMT]]>@Christoph-Hart Here ya go

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1enxIfvhJNkcVnfP9BE4e83M3UdBud4MX/view?usp=sharing

]]>https://forum.hise.audio/post/117404https://forum.hise.audio/post/117404Wed, 04 Feb 2026 11:52:11 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Matrix Modulators not driven by the controls in exported plugin on Wed, 04 Feb 2026 11:11:34 GMT]]>@Christoph-Hart Alright I am putting together a minimal project.

Question, should I connect processorId and parameterId or just use the matrixTargetId only?

Because when removing the processorId connection in my project the controls are still working, while in the minimal project it's not working without it...

]]>https://forum.hise.audio/post/117402https://forum.hise.audio/post/117402Wed, 04 Feb 2026 11:11:34 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Matrix Modulators not driven by the controls in exported plugin on Wed, 04 Feb 2026 07:00:31 GMT]]>@ustk I think the issue is that you're using the matrix modulator system in an FX context which basically forces monophonic envelope behaviour and I haven't tested this too much. Can you make a simple test project that demonstrates the issue?

]]>https://forum.hise.audio/post/117397https://forum.hise.audio/post/117397Wed, 04 Feb 2026 07:00:31 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Matrix Modulators not driven by the controls in exported plugin on Wed, 04 Feb 2026 01:35:15 GMT]]>@ustk said in Matrix Modulators not driven by the controls in exported plugin:

It might be a recent bug, what is your commit?

Oh god, I'm way back in December right now!

]]>https://forum.hise.audio/post/117395https://forum.hise.audio/post/117395Wed, 04 Feb 2026 01:35:15 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Matrix Modulators not driven by the controls in exported plugin on Wed, 04 Feb 2026 01:34:58 GMT]]>@Oli-Ullmann said in Matrix Modulators not driven by the controls in exported plugin:

@Orvillain
Then it is mono modulation and not sample accurate...

I don't think that is true.

]]>https://forum.hise.audio/post/117394https://forum.hise.audio/post/117394Wed, 04 Feb 2026 01:34:58 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Matrix Modulators not driven by the controls in exported plugin on Wed, 04 Feb 2026 00:36:45 GMT]]>@Orvillain Interesting, effectively it's still working in Hise without the processorId connected to the MM if you just set the matrixTargetId, but unfortunately it's still doesn't work in exported plugins...

I wonder what could be different, so I will try with a minimal project...

It might be a recent bug, what is your commit?
Mine is 9 days old because there was bugs but I see it now should compile on macos so I'll give a try tomorrow.

@Oli-Ullmann said in Matrix Modulators not driven by the controls in exported plugin:

My solution was to comment out the relevant matrix IDs in the Matrix Modulation Properties.

Do you mean comment, compile, uncomment and compile again?
And do you refer to a problem you had in Hise too or in exported plugin?

Then it is mono modulation and not sample accurate...

Is it not the opposite? losing accuracy when you actually modulate a parameter connected via processorId instead of using the matrix mod system?

]]>https://forum.hise.audio/post/117391https://forum.hise.audio/post/117391Wed, 04 Feb 2026 00:36:45 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Matrix Modulators not driven by the controls in exported plugin on Tue, 03 Feb 2026 22:48:25 GMT]]>@Orvillain
Then it is mono modulation and not sample accurate...

]]>https://forum.hise.audio/post/117389https://forum.hise.audio/post/117389Tue, 03 Feb 2026 22:48:25 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Matrix Modulators not driven by the controls in exported plugin on Tue, 03 Feb 2026 22:44:32 GMT]]>@ustk said in Matrix Modulators not driven by the controls in exported plugin:

So my UI sliders processorId and parameterId are set to control the MM Value parameters of the different Extra slots. Corresponding extra_mod nodes are properly linked in each network I have.

um .... shouldn't they have their matrixTargetId attribute set instead of using processorId and parameterId ?? That's what I've been doing, and my modulation all works fine in an exported plugin.

]]>https://forum.hise.audio/post/117388https://forum.hise.audio/post/117388Tue, 03 Feb 2026 22:44:32 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Matrix Modulators not driven by the controls in exported plugin on Tue, 03 Feb 2026 22:25:15 GMT]]>@ustk
I spent a lot of time today fixing a modulation problem. My solution was to comment out the relevant matrix IDs in the Matrix Modulation Properties. It was a very strange problem, but now it works. Maybe this will help you too?

]]>https://forum.hise.audio/post/117387https://forum.hise.audio/post/117387Tue, 03 Feb 2026 22:25:15 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Matrix Modulators not driven by the controls in exported plugin on Tue, 03 Feb 2026 22:13:32 GMT]]>@Goodflow that’s a proper investigation!
Yeah the resolution of direct parameter modulation is tied up to the buffer size whereas matrix modulation is sample accurate.

Since I also have envelope modulation, it needs that accuracy to be snappy enough

So we’ll need the boss to fix this @Christoph-Hart ☺

]]>https://forum.hise.audio/post/117386https://forum.hise.audio/post/117386Tue, 03 Feb 2026 22:13:32 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Matrix Modulators not driven by the controls in exported plugin on Tue, 03 Feb 2026 21:59:10 GMT]]>@ustk Been running into this on multiple instrument + fx projects. I've tried polyphonic/monophonic scriptnode networks and went the C++ route with core::extra_mod and createExternalModulationInfo. All's well in HISE in every case, but not in the compiled plugin.

Skipping the extra_mods and modulating the parameters directly in a network works fine in exported plugins. I think it's a lower resolution modulation, but it ruled out the slots/nodes/etc as the problem.

]]>https://forum.hise.audio/post/117385https://forum.hise.audio/post/117385Tue, 03 Feb 2026 21:59:10 GMT